Later Seleucids troop question...

Huaxtec15mm · Post by **Huaxtec15mm** » Tue May 19, 2009 12:29 pm

I see in the army list that the Argyraspides have the option to be either pike armed or (after 166) armored impact foot.
I mistakenly thought they were always pike armed. How should these "armored Impact Foot" be displayed on the table top (ie, which minis to use)?

Are they essentially imitaion legionaires?

Thanks for any input!

MadBanker · Post by **MadBanker** » Tue May 19, 2009 12:50 pm

Huaxtec15mm wrote:I see in the army list that the Argyraspides have the option to be either pike armed or (after 166) armored impact foot.
I mistakenly thought they were always pike armed. How should these "armored Impact Foot" be displayed on the table top (ie, which minis to use)?

Are they essentially imitaion legionaires?

Thanks for any input!

The description of the daphnae parade by Polybius states that there were 5.000 troops armed in the roman fashion, then it cites 5.000 argyraspides with the phalanx. As the strength of the argyraspides regiment has always been stated at 10.000 it has been assumed that the 5.000 armed in the roman fashion were argyraspides reorganised like a roman legion.
As for what they looked like, it is even more speculative, they were probably equipped not unlike principes but with more hellenistic equipment (mail armor, thureos, helmet of the ascalon type with crest...).
A few manufacturers have made minis to represent them, like donnington, Black Hat, or Essex

Huaxtec15mm · Post by **Huaxtec15mm** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:03 pm

Very cool! Thanks for the info. I'm doing ancients in 28mm. Any recomendations for figs?

MadBanker · Post by **MadBanker** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:15 pm

Huaxtec15mm wrote:Very cool! Thanks for the info. I'm doing ancients in 28mm. Any recomendations for figs?

It's your lucky day, there are several new successor ranges just out or due out soon:

Gripping Beast's polemarch range, 1st Corps new successor range, Crusader rank and file range, Empire Models new successor range

stenic · Post by **stenic** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:18 pm

Mine in the pics in the link are Foundry Macedonians to give you an idea. No Imitation Legionaries in that incarnation of the army but I do have some and just used their early Romans. I think the elephants are vendel

http://web.onetel.com/~stenic/Wargmes/t ... w20091.htm

Steve P

Huaxtec15mm · Post by **Huaxtec15mm** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:06 pm

Great info. Cheers folks.

OldenTired · Post by **OldenTired** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:11 am

in 15mm someone recommended that i use xyston republican romans. i just trimmed the feathers off the caps.

a close as we're gonna get.

DaiSho · Post by **DaiSho** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:52 pm

Huaxtec15mm wrote:Very cool! Thanks for the info. I'm doing ancients in 28mm. Any recomendations for figs?

It might be too late to make this suggestion, and also might not be up your alley, but in 15mm I think Xyston are beautiful figures and do the ranges that you're looking at.

My suggestion is, that given Xyston are over-sized 15mm (closer to 18 or 20mm) that perhaps you could do a 25mm version of what I'm doing in 10mm.

I'm basing my 10mm Magister Militum figures as 15mm bases and putting more figures on. I get to make a bit of a diorama, well, more of a diorama than I do in 15mm at least.

You could do the same. Build a 15 (18/20mm) Xyston Seleucid army and put it on 25mm basing. I think it would look great! You might be able to get 6 pikemen across and 6 deep on a 60mmx80mm fixed base! Would look fantastic!!!

Just a thought, and as I said, it might totally not be up your alley (and possibly too late if you've already bought some 25mm figures)

Ian

OldenTired · Post by **OldenTired** » Wed May 27, 2009 7:11 am

DaiSho wrote:
Huaxtec15mm wrote:Very cool! Thanks for the info. I'm doing ancients in 28mm. Any recomendations for figs?
It might be too late to make this suggestion, and also might not be up your alley, but in 15mm I think Xyston are beautiful figures and do the ranges that you're looking at.

My suggestion is, that given Xyston are over-sized 15mm (closer to 18 or 20mm) that perhaps you could do a 25mm version of what I'm doing in 10mm.

I'm basing my 10mm Magister Militum figures as 15mm bases and putting more figures on. I get to make a bit of a diorama, well, more of a diorama than I do in 15mm at least.

You could do the same. Build a 15 (18/20mm) Xyston Seleucid army and put it on 25mm basing. I think it would look great! You might be able to get 6 pikemen across and 6 deep on a 60mmx80mm fixed base! Would look fantastic!!!

Just a thought, and as I said, it might totally not be up your alley (and possibly too late if you've already bought some 25mm figures)

Ian

awesome idea.

i might have to buy a bunch more xyston and rebase...

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Wed May 27, 2009 9:17 am

OldenTired wrote:in 15mm someone recommended that i use xyston republican romans. i just trimmed the feathers off the caps.

a close as we're gonna get.

Thats was me, and Ive done that myself for my romanised args. The superior pike have black leather armour, red togas as do the romanised args. Black helmet crests/feathers throughout.

They are less colourful that the rest of the phalanx but they look hard as nails - and performed admirably for me in comp two weeks ago.

Anthony

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