IWF - Alexandria Virginia, USA - May 22-24, 2009

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:31 am

What I find genuinely interesting is that out of the 50 armies only (if my maths are correct) 10 of them are BC.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:20 am

dave_r wrote:What I find genuinely interesting is that out of the 50 armies only (if my maths are correct) 10 of them are BC.

That might have something to do with the fact that armies from Swifter than Eagles are not allowed

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:35 am

Yes, but Immortal Fire and Rise of Rome are

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:50 am

dave_r wrote:Yes, but Immortal Fire and Rise of Rome are

And Empires of the Dragon isn't.

If you look at previous years and discount biblical lists and oriental ones you won't find that many pre CE armies either.

grahambriggs · Post by **grahambriggs** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:06 pm

dave_r wrote:What I find genuinely interesting is that out of the 50 armies only (if my maths are correct) 10 of them are BC.

I suspect the logic is Knights are good against legionaries, classical lancers, etc. so either take knight or anti-knight armies e.g. mounted who can skirmish and manouver, etc.

I'm a bit surprised there aren't more longbows and elephants out there though.

Graham

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:12 pm

A quick look at last years results from DBM shows 77 entries, of which 24 are BC. Of these 17 would be allowed by a comparable FoG list.

In the FoG competition 5 out of 13 entries were BC. All of which would be allowed by currently published books!

I would expect around 30% of entries to be BC (borne out by the figures above), at Alexandria this is much reduced to 10/50 or 20%

Not a criticism or anything, just a surprise to me.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:28 pm

Perhaps there were so many BC armies last year 'cos there were only 2 books to choose armies from. 1 AD and 1 BC. Even then it took less than 50% of the vote.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:12 pm

dave_r wrote:A quick look at last years results from DBM shows 77 entries, of which 24 are BC. Of these 17 would be allowed by a comparable FoG list.

I would expect around 30% of entries to be BC (borne out by the figures above), at Alexandria this is much reduced to 10/50 or 20%

Not a criticism or anything, just a surprise to me.

Well if you take 17 out of 77 as a percentage your get 22% That is pretty close to 20%

To be honest I suspect that when all the FoG books are out that there will be a lower percentage of early armies in open tournaments than in the days of DBM simply because FoG treats armour seperately and chariots aren't identical to cavalry and knights like they were in DBM.

Personally I far prefer themed comps anyway.

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Wed May 06, 2009 3:44 pm

Would we see the day when the IWF was a themed tournament ?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:43 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Would we see the day when the IWF was a themed tournament ?

Unlikely,

The thing is that the IWF wants to be as inclusive as possible and to have one competition where a winner can be crowned "IWF Ancients World Champion".

Theming would mean some players would not have suitable armies so it would either require multiple themes which causes issues with having an overall winner or means people are excluded.

I think there is room for open and themed events.

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:27 pm

Perhaps there were so many BC armies last year 'cos there were only 2 books to choose armies from. 1 AD and 1 BC. Even then it took less than 50% of the vote.

Don't think it was limited to two books. If we consider that Seljuqs won it - which book are they in?

Well if you take 17 out of 77 as a percentage your get 22% That is pretty close to 20%

24/77 is 31%. If we consider these are armies people wanted to take. If I removed all of the armies in AD that weren't available currently I suspect we would once again end up at around 30%

20% is a very low figure.

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:33 pm

DaveR,

OT time: are we FoWing on Thursday???? What are you bringing? I can go Axis or allies...

Madcam.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:43 pm

Well if you take 17 out of 77 as a percentage your get 22% That is pretty close to 20%

24/77 is 31%. If we consider these are armies people wanted to take. If I removed all of the armies in AD that weren't available currently I suspect we would once again end up at around 30%

20% is a very low figure.[/quote]

From your earlier post...

dave_r wrote:A quick look at last years results from DBM shows 77 entries, of which 24 are BC. Of these 17 would be allowed by a comparable FoG list.

I was using your figures Dave.

17 armies out of 77 is 22%

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:27 pm

DaveR,

OT time: are we FoWing on Thursday???? What are you bringing? I can go Axis or allies...

Madcam.

The FoG Tests are on Thursday evening - as yet Dan has decided not to let me know what time he is going to arrange these for....

I suspect I could be tempted on the Thursday afternoon to be doing something different

I am going to speak to the chaps going to Washington doing FoW at the weekend at Milton Keynes. Should be able to guage whether we have enough for a FoW test as well. In any case I think Dave M has been roped into playing for an Anzac team for FoG. I don't think Eric is going to organise anything so if we can get four Brits / Aussies / Non-Americans I will see if I can get one of the more organised US players to get four mates together.

Since most FoW players aren't arriving until Friday I don't know when a Test would be.

I only have two armies in FoW. Russians and British. I can pretty much cover all options for these two

I don't think my Late War British are going to be painted in time for Washington though

I don't want to take anything too bulky, so Russian Infantry is probably out....

In any case, I will let you do axis - I would prefer Mid-War, but I am not bringing three armies across the pond, so if there is a FoW test, I may have to bring Late War Russians.

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:29 pm

I was using your figures Dave.

17 armies out of 77 is 22%

No Hammy - you were using SOME of my figures. If there are 24 / 77 armies that are BC that is 30%. However, 7 of those armies are from unpublished lists, therefore that would be 17 BC, however, you would have to remove these from the upper limit as well, giving 17/70, which is 24%.

Also, as I mentioned if you looked at the remaining 53 lists which are AD - you would probably have to remove a number of these from unpublished lists, which would increase the percentage even further.

davem · Post by **davem** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:12 pm

dave_r wrote:
DaveR,

OT time: are we FoWing on Thursday???? What are you bringing? I can go Axis or allies...

Madcam.
The FoG Tests are on Thursday evening - as yet Dan has decided not to let me know what time he is going to arrange these for....

I suspect I could be tempted on the Thursday afternoon to be doing something different

I am going to speak to the chaps going to Washington doing FoW at the weekend at Milton Keynes. Should be able to guage whether we have enough for a FoW test as well. In any case I think Dave M has been roped into playing for an Anzac team for FoG. I don't think Eric is going to organise anything so if we can get four Brits / Aussies / Non-Americans I will see if I can get one of the more organised US players to get four mates together.

Since most FoW players aren't arriving until Friday I don't know when a Test would be.

I only have two armies in FoW. Russians and British. I can pretty much cover all options for these two I don't think my Late War British are going to be painted in time for Washington though I don't want to take anything too bulky, so Russian Infantry is probably out....

In any case, I will let you do axis - I would prefer Mid-War, but I am not bringing three armies across the pond, so if there is a FoW test, I may have to bring Late War Russians.

Dave,

I could be available to play a FOW test. What period? I can bring a MW DAK Panzer Co (as it's small!) or maybe borrow something?

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:37 pm

Dave - I was planning on speaking to you at the Weekend - is Roger Whittam doing Milton Keynes?

davem · Post by **davem** » Fri May 08, 2009 7:24 am

dave_r wrote:Dave - I was planning on speaking to you at the Weekend - is Roger Whittam doing Milton Keynes?

I don't think so.
See you tomorrow.

nickblackheart · Post by **nickblackheart** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:46 pm

Is this an annual event? Because it is down the road from my sisters in the States and I thought.....

davem · Post by **davem** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:50 pm

nickblackheart wrote:Is this an annual event? Because it is down the road from my sisters in the States and I thought.....

Yes and No. The WIC is an annual event, but it is hosted in different countries each year. If you'd like to enter, you may be able to persuade the Organisers to allow a late entry.
See http://www.alexandria2009.com/ for details.

IWF - Alexandria Virginia, USA - May 22-24, 2009

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