Ebro Battle - Briefing Incorrect

[kverdon]

Adding to the frustration of the Ebro battle is the fact that the briefing is totally incorrect. In the briefing you are instructed to hold 3 locations and the ones outline are: La Fatarella, Ribaroya and Flix. It seems however that La Fatarella is not really a victory location. I'm guessing it was at some point and it was change but someone neglected to update the briefing. Not a great way to start what is going to be a very frustrating scenario when you are briefed to fail.

[Kerensky]

Ahhh, so finally someone pinpointed the oddity in this scenario. It's correctly marked as a VH, but it's not being tracked in objectives.

Okay now that I finally know what is wrong, should be able to address it. And we'll reduce some of the attack waves while we're at it. Normally I think players should step up to face a challenge, but this scenario perhaps goes just a little too far, so some re-tuning is not out of order.

The briefing is hardly setting up for failure, it's correct to state you need to hold 3 objectives at all times.

Changed the bonus objective to be easier while I was looking at it.

"Control all Victory Hexes at any point during the scenario"

So it'll trigger instantly, instead of only on the very final turn.

[kverdon]

True, the briefing says to hold 3 objectives BUT you are briefed to hold THESE 3 objectives to start. If you do that you will fail. I used the editor to add La Fatarella back into the list so we'll see how it goes with that and everything else at stock.

[Kerensky]

Your usual pessimism can't dampen my enthusiasm this time, because I'm just very happy someone finally detected what the problem was here. Many, many, many eyes looked over it, but you were the first to detect exactly what was wrong.

So now it can finally be fixed. Hopefully whenever we get next PzC2 patch, this will be solved for everyone now along side other various SCW related tweaks.

Thanks!

[kverdon]

Well I am happy I caught it and glad to be of service Made the change in the editor, we will now see how fighting for the NW redout works out. I'm actually looking forward to this scenario now.

[kverdon]

Well I made the scenario change to add La Fatarella to the list of must hold objectives and it worked. I made no other changes and the fight was still a bit of a rough one right up to the end but was actually now one of my favorite scenarios. Using Italians to hold the southwest pass worked pretty well though they came under pretty hard pressure in the end. It took some good air support to have them hang on. I have the AA trait with my General and this allowed me, with the addition of Galland and 3 top of the line Italian fighters and 3 109s, to eventually take Air Superiority from the Republicans and actually make use of my lone Stuka. I was successful with a limited offensive in the north that succeeded in eliminating the pesky north shore Artillery. This made holding Flix much easier. It changed hands a few times but with the change to the scenario to add in La Fararella, this was no longer game ending. I think I actually got to experience the scenario as it was originally designed. I would actually suggest not making drastic changes to the Republican forces to balance out the scenario as it now seems to work ok as it. Its tough, but doable. I actually made 3K prestige in the process .

[Snake97644]

Is this related to the problem of the bonus victory objective not triggering? I held all the objectives, but nothing happened.

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[Tassadar]

So it'll trigger instantly, instead of only on the very final turn.

Now I'm motivated to reply last two scenarios before the 1939 DLC - unless the objectives will not update from a save during the Ebro scenartio itself and will require a reload from Aragon Offensive.

[kverdon]

I'm not sure if what I did would fix the Bonus objective, looking at the objective, all the hexes you hold are listed. The only thing I can see is that the condition is set to evaluate at scenario end and maybe the scenario is ending before it gets checked. The other thing is that it lists that you have to "Capture" the victory hexes instead of "Hold". That implies a change of hands during the scenario so perhaps if you don't loose and recapture one of the hexes it doesn't evaluate properly?

As to replaying the scenario, I may be wrong but I think you would have to go back to the end of the previous scenario as I think it loads the scenario information when the new scenario starts and thus gets it's information saved in the save file. Something I do at the end of most turns is to do the "View Battlefield" option and do a manual save from there. It helps if you get a branching campaign and want to try both branches or if you get presented with an option and want to go back and try the other option.

[nexusno2000]

There are only 9 defined VH hexes (the ones on the river) for the main and bonus:

(3;4)(9;5)(14;9)(12;16)(15;21)(17;26)(15;30)(13;33)(6;35)

La Fatarella {{5,15}} is not on that list (the one in the mnts).

[kverdon]

Yes, that is what I observed. My fix was to add La Fatarella {{5,15}} to the main objective but not the bonus. It looks to me that the intent of the scenario designer was to allow the player to create a NW redoubt and then once they had worn the Republican forces down, give them the option to counterattack and reclaim the river crossings.