Spoils of War

[Kerensky]

Trophies of War, but ok

The problem is that Trophies is the only simple way of effectively negating the prestige penalty. So it becomes nearly an auto include on FM and GM. That's normally not good design, but maybe it's OK for this specific dlc.

Spoils is an old GC 39 reference.

And there is a catch to your statement:

'simple'

You say it's simple, because it's obvious to you, and to some other really hardcore players. But the vast majority of players? Clearly it is not so simple, because simple or not, it continues to elude majority of players to this day.
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[Kerensky]

Trophies is ultimately just a crutch for those who can't gain enough prestige w/o it -- it's not and has never been necessary to beat Generalissimus, let alone FM, much like AA Veteran is a crutch for those who can't handle aeriel combat (unless you're using Denied Air Force and/or Manstein, in which case it's practically required). It's bad enough as it is that captures aren't affected by the difficulty setting, but all Trophies really does is allow you to get away with an inefficient capture strategy.

It gets even more absurd when you combine it with Hero Corps (Madrid '39):



I don't think you can argue that this is necessary to beat Generalissimus If anything, what makes capturing more challenging in SCW is the lack of a functional Deadly Grasp combined with the large amount of OSed units as you'll have to take greater risks, but the number of major rivers and conspicuous absence of supply hexes in general means it's not difficult to encircle enemies, assuming you picked Perimeter Control (which you should be doing if you understand how to play the capture game).

Beating Generalissimus w/o captures at all is quite challenging, though. I first ran through the Wehrmacht campaign with a Hero Corps setup, and while prestige wasn't much of a problem that was mainly because Hero Corps allows you to blitz scenarios so quickly that the bonus prestige from finishing early still adds up to decent sums. I imagine it'd have been a lot uglier had I been using Rommel like on subsequent campaigns.

Is that screenshot still accurate to parade around?

My understanding is that prestige was broken during BETA testing as difficulty settings were NOT affecting the lump sum injections at the start of each mission.

Playing Spanish Civil War on the live build... Greneralissimus is kicking my ass on prestige, because that -80% on the start of scenario injection means I am eating a prestige sink EVERY scenario now. And it's 30% worse than what happens in Gijon/Zaragosa.

[SineMora]

Is that screenshot still accurate to parade around?

My understanding is that prestige was broken during BETA testing as difficulty settings were NOT affecting the lump sum injections at the start of each mission.

Playing Spanish Civil War on the live build... Greneralissimus is kicking my ass on prestige, because that -80% on the start of scenario injection means I am eating a prestige sink EVERY scenario now. And it's 30% worse than what happens in Gijon/Zaragosa.

Hard to say. My second campaign didn't end up with nearly that much (and that was after block prestige was changed to be affected by the difficulty setting), but on the other hand I wasn't using Trophies either, nor did I swap prestige for CPs (I did in the beta). IIRC the block prestige was increased at some point too.

Edit: I ran through the campaign twice on Major and Generalissimus respectively (with Rommel on to avoid having the bonus system screw up any passive prestige, so the values would be higher if you actually played), and ended up with 48300 and 6440 respectively at Madrid. You probably earn more than that just from flags, but the difference is rather striking. If you're not capturing all those soft juicy targets things could go south quickly

[Kerensky]

I've been replaying SCW on public build that everyone has now, Generalissimus 80% reduced prestige difficulty.

Without a doubt, I rely heavily on capture and surrender mechanics to supplement what little prestige I get after that 80% annihilation.



I am staying afloat in a healthy 5000ish prestige range at all times, but there are times when it dips way below that (Brunete hurt) and times when it goes above and I have some recovery (Aragon Offensive)