Involuntary charges

[hercimurthemediocre]

First, apologies if this has been covered already.

Situation: Shock mounted (knights) are 5" away from Cav that is able to evade. The knights must test to avoid charging since the cav since they are a type able to evade. However, what if the cav chooses not to evade? Is there still a charge? Is there a variable move?

[SirGarnet]

1. Knights only move 4 MU, Cav Lancers are shock that move 5 MU so that makes a better example here.

2. Study p168's sequence of play for this to make sense.

3. Shock mounted that don't voluntarily charge must test not to charge ANY enemy, subject to the listed exceptions on p58.

4. Deciding to evade is a charge response that happens after all charges are declared by the player or caused by a failed test.

5. Later in the sequence evaders evade, then chargers charge. Evaders always variable move. Chargers variable move only if they have no non-evading target.

6. The only thing that cancels a charge is a flank/rear interception.

Cheers,

Mike

[hercimurthemediocre]

Ok, I think we're missing the point here.

My question is if you get a variable move in this situation even if the target of the charge who is capable of evading is not going to evade.

So:

1. Knights test to prevent charging a BG that can evade (up to 6 mu away since the target can evade.)

2. Target of the charge elects not to evade and passes the CMT to not evade if necessary.

3. Do the Knights now get a variable move since their target is not evading? Do they even charge at all if the target is outside of 4 mu?

[SirGarnet]

1. Knights test to prevent charging a BG that can evade (up to 6 mu away since the target can evade.)

Only if the target is within 4 MUs. The +2 is ONLY for determining if any of the exceptions to testing apply, such as rolling high into terrain (the FAQ 5.1 backs this up).

3. Do the Knights now get a variable move since their target is not evading? Do they even charge at all if the target is outside of 4 mu?

No and no. My note above that they only VMD if all charge targets VMD is the simple way to remember it.

[hammy]

Hercimur,

You have made the same mistake reading the rules as a lot of other people. Not helped by the fact that when the rules were typeset an extra line break was introduced just before the bit about the +/- 2MU if the target could evade.

The key is (as others have mentioned) that the +/- 2MU bit only applies to situations where you may not be forced to charge because you might enter difficult terrain, foot might hit mounted etc.

Charges can never be declared either voluntarily or forced when the target is more than a normal move away from the chargers.

I think there is a section on this in the FAQ.