What do Panzer Corps veterans feel about PzC2?

[Retributarr]

"Whassa Matta" for all of you!"- the 'Blind keep leading the Blind'.

Of-course... at times it's impossible to tell what your looking at!, but!... I have a solution!.
Klick-once onto the unrecongnizable-indistinguishable-unit that scambles your 'Brains'... then go-down to the lower-left corner of the Game-Screen... to access the Unit-Stats-Panel by clicking on the 'Chevron' access button to that function.

Now when a display of the Unit access panel materializes in front of the screen, you will now be able to see what it?... the "Unit" looks like, what its designation is... as well as a multitude of statistics. Its not that hard to do!.

[Retributarr]

German military intervention in Spain:
Technical advances
Bf 109 C-1, Jagdgruppe 88, Legion Condor
One important factor in World War II which is thought to have directly resulted from the conflict is the technical development of the Messerschmitt Bf 109. The V3 – V6 types entered service in Spain directly from operational trials around January 1937. In the spring of 1938 these were joined by type C aircraft with type Es being first fielded in December 1938.

Tactics
As the fighting progressed into March 1938 Italian pilots under Fieldmarshal Hugo Sperrle were involved in thirteen raids against Barcelona.
Hugo Sperrle in 1940

Sperrle was given command of the Condor Legion in November 1936 and fought with the expeditionary force in the Spanish Civil War until October 1937.

Condor Legion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_Legion
Aircraft flown

Attack
Henschel Hs 123
Number built 250 (approx)

the Hs 123s based in Seville were used for ground support, a role in which their range was not such a detriment, and where the ability to accurately place munitions was more important than carrying a large load.

Ju 87Ds in October 1943
It first flew in 1935. The Ju 87 made its combat debut in 1937 with the Luftwaffe's Condor Legion during the Spanish Civil War.

Bomber
Junkers Ju 86

Heinkel He 111

Dornier Do 17
Along with the Heinkel He 111 it was the main bomber type of the German air arm in 1939–1940. It saw action in significant numbers in every major campaign theatre as a front line aircraft until the end of 1941, when its effectiveness and usage was curtailed as its bomb load and range were limited.

Fighter
Heinkel He 51


Heinkel He 51 C flown by "Adolf Galland" in the Spanish Civil War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Galland
Adolf Galland

This time of superiority was short lived, with the arrival of large numbers of modern aircraft from the Soviet Union, including the Polikarpov I-15 biplane and new Polikarpov I-16 monoplane,[8] together with the Tupolev SB bomber, which was 110 km/h (70 mph) faster.[9] The He 51 proved unable to protect the Legion Condor's bombers, forcing it to switch to night operations,[10] while also unable to intercept the much faster SB.[9] The He 51 was therefore withdrawn from fighter duty and relegated to the ground-attack role by both the Legion Condor and the Nationalists.

Heinkel He 112
Small numbers were used for a short time by the Luftwaffe and some were built for other countries, around 100 being completed.
Messerschmitt Bf 109
The Bf 109 first saw operational service in 1937 during the Spanish Civil War.

Reconnaissance
Heinkel He 70 First flight 1 December 1932

Transport


Junkers Ju 52/3m
Second World War as a troop and cargo transport; it was also briefly used as a medium bomber.

Military operations
Hitler decided to support the Nationalists in July 1936. The German air force was used to carry the Army of Africa to Spain. German transports moved nearly 2,500 troops from Spanish Morocco to Spain. 15,000 German troops fought on the Nationalist side, deploying 200 takns and 136 aircraft.

From 29 July to 11 October the Germans transported 13,523 Moroccan troops and 270,100 kilograms of war material from Morocco to Andalusia; and it was Franco's African forces, thus transported and supplied, which were a decisive factor in the war

The German military in Spain, who were later reorganised and renamed the Condor Legion, claimed to have destroyed a total of 372 Republican planes and 60 Spanish Republican Navy ships. They lost 72 aircraft due to hostile action and another 160 to accidents.

By the end of 1936, 7,000 Germans were in Spain. The Nationalists were supported by German units and equipment during the Battle of Madrid and during the Battle of Jarama of February 1937. The fighting demonstrated the inadequacy of the Legion's aircraft compared to superior Soviet-made fighters.[citation needed] The War in the North was supported by a constantly re-equipping Condor Legion.

The German North Sea Group around Spain, part of the Kriegsmarine, consisted of the pocket battleships Deutschland and Admiral Scheer, the light cruiser Köln, and four torpedo boats.

[Retributarr]

Panzers in the Spanish Civil War #SpanishCivilWar - YouTube:
[Incorrect-Link... now Fixed!]
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Pa ... &FORM=VIRE
List of tanks in the Spanish Civil War:
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/List_of ... nish_Civil

Tanks supplied by foreign powers:

Tank------------------Nation of origin----Number supplied----Side supplied to
BT-5[21]-------------Soviet Union---------50----------------------Popular Front
Fiat 3000[22]--------Italy------------------1------------------------Popular Front
Renault FT-17[23]--France & Poland----32[23]–64[24]---------Nationalist and Popular Front
L3/33 / L3/35[25]--Italy-------------------155--------------------Nationalist Front
Panzer I[26]---------Germany--------------122--------------------Nationalist Front
T-26[27]--------------Soviet Union---------281--------------------Popular Front
Vickers Six-Ton[28-Bolivia-----------------1-----------------------Popular Front

The BT-2 tank of 1932 was the first Soviet modification of Walter Christie's design.
BT-5 mod. 1933
It is a very fast tank with a heavy-hitting 45 mm gun but at the cost of lighter armour

FIAT 3000

FT-17 light tank 1,500 of them still in operation in 1940

Italian L3/33 (CV-33), Flamethrower variant

L3/35

Panzerkampfwagen I Ausf. A

Germany sent its first shipments of Panzer I light tanks to the Nationalist Front in September 1936.
The Panzer I's performance in armored combat was limited by its thin armour and light armament of two machine guns, which were never intended for use against armoured targets, rather being ideal for infantry suppression, in line with inter-war doctrine. As a design intended for training, the Panzer I was less capable than some other contemporary light tank designs, such as the Soviet T-26.

T-26 mod. 1933
The Soviet Union soon followed suit by supplying the Popular Front with T-26 light tanks in October 1936.


Polish Type A (twin-turrets) Vickers E

[ErissN6]

the Germans transported 13,523 Moroccan troops and 270,100 kilograms of war material from Morocco to Andalusia;
and it was Franco's African forces, thus transported and supplied, which were a decisive factor in the war

Yes, and it's France government which intendly allowed it: the spanish anarchist CNT wanted to make a bourgeois (!) revolution in north Morocco (popular revolution was already destroyed by France, leader in Paris jails) to prevent nationalist levies, but leftist France president Blum threatened the already feebled spanish republic with bad intervention if any revolt was happening in Morocco!:
Morocco invading troops were in fact France auxiliary troops...

After Blum, later, De Gaulle wanted to give (or rather sell?) the atomic bomb to Franco (in form of civil nuclear plants),
but Franco died before it was done.

[Patrick Ward]

Panzers in the Spanish Civil War #SpanishCivilWar - YouTube:

Hi Retributarr,

I don't want you wasting your time or enthusiasm so you should know that if you're hoping to help develop,ment of the Spanish DLC the units are already done and, given the deadline and how long it takes to get the ball rolling on new models, we won't be changing the current line up.

Pat

[Retributarr]

Panzers in the Spanish Civil War #SpanishCivilWar - YouTube:

Hi Retributarr,

I don't want you wasting your time or enthusiasm so you should know that if you're hoping to help develop,ment of the Spanish DLC the units are already done and, given the deadline and how long it takes to get the ball rolling on new models, we won't be changing the current line up.

Pat

Thanks!... I appreciate "The-Heads-Up". This information was still 'fun' to present.

[Topper11]

So far...not sure...doesn't seem as fun...3D means nothing really...I am an old Board gamer...so for me the jury is still out....to much info and to me odd layout of maps and help screens......makes it hard to see at a glance what is happening...just my first impression...the "War in Europe" additions to Panzer Corps, I felt, made that game great and would like to see that upgrade used throughout the old game....I will be playing some scenarios and online in the next few weeks, will put in 8-10 hours and see what happens.....not as excited about it as it seemed to be at first, maybe it's the huge shoes to fill of the classic.......or just the promise of "same but even better" sales pitch...just some random thoughts...

[Akkula]

Panzers in the Spanish Civil War #SpanishCivilWar - YouTube:

Hi Retributarr,

I don't want you wasting your time or enthusiasm so you should know that if you're hoping to help develop,ment of the Spanish DLC the units are already done and, given the deadline and how long it takes to get the ball rolling on new models, we won't be changing the current line up.

Pat

Thanks!... I appreciate "The-Heads-Up". This information was still 'fun' to present.

I truly appreciate your posts Retributarr, they are very interesting
Thanks a lot.
Best regards,
Akkula.

[Retributarr]

I truly appreciate your posts Retributarr, they are very interesting
Thanks a lot.
Best regards,
Akkula.

"Akkula": 'Gratzi'?... or however the "Italians" say that word/phrase. Its good to hear some 'Positive' feedback from 'Forum-Members'... "your response"... does help to make such efforts more meaningful!.

I'm 'Not-Perfect/Perfeckt'... but I try to be as "factually correct" and informative in my postings as I am able to be. I find it personally engrossing to dig just a little deeper into such matters... sometimes it becomes a 'Revelation' of sorts. Anyways!... as 'Opportunity' presents itself... I will try to continue on in this effort.

[KesaAnna]

I sure appreciate the Italian contributions.

In America at least ( ? ) , Italy is the major participant in the war that is very much in the background . The bookshelves fairly groan with books on Germany . Japan sees a lot of interest. But Italy ? It's almost as obscure as Bulgaria .

I suppose there are others ( ? ) , but the only specifically Italian - oriented movie I can think of is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_the_Desert

Which apparently saw the light of day because Colonel Gaddafi was sufficiently obsessed with the subject matter to underwrite a Hollywood - scale movie budget.

I don't think you should be put off by the Gaddafi - connection. While financed by Libya , it wasn't made by Libya , or by Italy either , and about a subject few people care about. So there's a third party , Alien from Mars - observer aspect to the movie .

[chrisjonesbath]

So far...not sure...doesn't seem as fun...3D means nothing really...

Yes, I have to agree 100% PZ2 feels more like a casual phone or iPad game. Played quite a few PBEM scenarios but it just didn't hang together as a proper wargame. I play mainly PBEM and we have now gone back to playing games based on the PZ1 Battlefield Europe Mod which has given PZ1 even more life.

I'll keep checking to see if there is any further development in PZ2 but don't think I'll be playing it again as is.

Chris

[Matyna]

I sure appreciate the Italian contributions.

In America at least ( ? ) , Italy is the major participant in the war that is very much in the background . The bookshelves fairly groan with books on Germany . Japan sees a lot of interest. But Italy ? It's almost as obscure as Bulgaria .

I suppose there are others ( ? ) , but the only specifically Italian - oriented movie I can think of is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_the_Desert

Which apparently saw the light of day because Colonel Gaddafi was sufficiently obsessed with the subject matter to underwrite a Hollywood - scale movie budget.

I don't think you should be put off by the Gaddafi - connection. While financed by Libya , it wasn't made by Libya , or by Italy either , and about a subject few people care about. So there's a third party , Alien from Mars - observer aspect to the movie .

There is more of movies about Italians in WW2, but there is not many. One of best is https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0329042/ and another one is older https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062714/ . Both Italian movies. Like both of them tbh. First one is about "Pavia" division, another one about "Folgore" division.
There is also great book about Italian armored divisions in North Africa https://www.amazon.com/Iron-Hulls-Heart ... 1861268394