Heroes should die with their unit.

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superman81906
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Heroes should die with their unit.

Post by superman81906 »

I thought I lost some really important units, but the heroes are back, all of them? How about an option in the menu that players can choose either live 100% every time, or less 25%, 50%, 75% that they may or may not survive. Put some excitement and consequences into the hero department. Living 100% all the time feels too gamey and baby level war game to me, an option for everyone to play how they choose would be an improvement.
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jeffoot77
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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+1

if you have a powerful hero , you must admit you may lose him
my custom mini-campaign in order of battle :
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=374&t=79333&p=676302#p676302

Panzer corps mods archive (folders or zip versions) : http://jeffoot.freeboxos.fr:41226/share/KmCyju7JFZX6dD2B/
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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superman81906 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:41 am I thought I lost some really important units, but the heroes are back? Maybe a percentage chance they live and you get them back if this mechanic does not already exist. Would bring some uncertainty to losing a heroic unit.
I must admit I assumed heros did die of the unit they were attached to were lost.

I'd prefere it that way.
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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jeffoot77 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:04 am +1

if you have a powerful hero , you must admit you may lose him
Yes
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superman81906
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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Horseman wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:01 am
superman81906 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:41 am I thought I lost some really important units, but the heroes are back? Maybe a percentage chance they live and you get them back if this mechanic does not already exist. Would bring some uncertainty to losing a heroic unit.
I must admit I assumed heros did die of the unit they were attached to were lost.

I'd prefere it that way.
I thought instead of getting them back completely every time, maybe there could be a 25% chance they survive?
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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Maybe a chance they survive. They 100% shouldn't be immortal!
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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Horseman wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:02 pm Maybe a chance they survive. They 100% shouldn't be immortal!
Agree.
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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You can always refuse to use them after they...perish.
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eddieballgame wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:16 am You can always refuse to use them after they...perish.
Yup there's that dismiss button right there. Imposing such a rule on all players is just going to make more people reach for those save/load buttons. While anyone who wants to impose chance for hero death on themselves... go right ahead. But it won't be a default setting.
superman81906
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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Kerensky wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:16 am
eddieballgame wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:16 am You can always refuse to use them after they...perish.
Yup there's that dismiss button right there. Imposing such a rule on all players is just going to make more people reach for those save/load buttons. While anyone who wants to impose chance for hero death on themselves... go right ahead. But it won't be a default setting.
Any why not a setting in the menu, you sound like you know what is best for EVERY player. You don't, in fact, their are more players in this post that want a change or option for this. And like everything else in the game, it could be added or fixed. If you are a content creator for the game, your personal opinion for the only way to play the game does not matter, it matters what the players want, especially when you sound like a jerk off. An option would be the PROFESSIONAL decision, not your personal opinion.
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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A valid point regarding dismissing them however.....

There's a reason Iron man settings exist in many many games when you can just choose not to reload.

Maybe make it a selectable option?
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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"People's hero are immortal" :D
So they should not "die", every hero (moreover she-heroes) appear again later under same name, even (s)he's probably someone different.
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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"maybe there could be a 25% chance they survive"

--> NO! i don't play in Chess mode to get more RNG with my heroes!



"Maybe make it a selectable option?"

--> +1 : and in iron mode , make them perish !
my custom mini-campaign in order of battle :
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=374&t=79333&p=676302#p676302

Panzer corps mods archive (folders or zip versions) : http://jeffoot.freeboxos.fr:41226/share/KmCyju7JFZX6dD2B/
superman81906
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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jeffoot77 wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:22 am "maybe there could be a 25% chance they survive"

--> NO! i don't play in Chess mode to get more RNG with my heroes!



"Maybe make it a selectable option?"

--> +1 : and in iron mode , make them perish !
That is exactly what I said, AN OPTION FOR PLAYERS THAT WANT IT.
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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superman81906 wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:44 am
Kerensky wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:16 am
eddieballgame wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:16 am You can always refuse to use them after they...perish.
Yup there's that dismiss button right there. Imposing such a rule on all players is just going to make more people reach for those save/load buttons. While anyone who wants to impose chance for hero death on themselves... go right ahead. But it won't be a default setting.
Any why not a setting in the menu, you sound like you know what is best for EVERY player. You don't, in fact, their are more players in this post that want a change or option for this. And like everything else in the game, it could be added or fixed. If you are a content creator for the game, your personal opinion for the only way to play the game does not matter, it matters what the players want, especially when you sound like a jerk off. An option would be the PROFESSIONAL decision, not your personal opinion.
100% d´accord. An option would be great. And by the way: in iron man mode its defenitly a must. (and no i dont want to dismiss the heroes myself, i want to set a percentage from zero to 100% at beginning of the campaign)
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

Post by eddieballgame »

If the 'devs' can squeeze this option in while focusing on the, more, important stuff such as more scenarios, campaigns, modding tools, bug fixes, etc...sure, why not.
Personally I would like some UI Scaling per the text...but I can live without it. (I have other means of resolving that...issue.)
I suspect that a feature that can, already, be implemented by the player (though artificially) is not high on their 'todo' list.
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Re: Heroes should die with their unit.

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o_t_d_x wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:35 pm
superman81906 wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:44 am
Kerensky wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:16 am

Yup there's that dismiss button right there. Imposing such a rule on all players is just going to make more people reach for those save/load buttons. While anyone who wants to impose chance for hero death on themselves... go right ahead. But it won't be a default setting.
Any why not a setting in the menu, you sound like you know what is best for EVERY player. You don't, in fact, their are more players in this post that want a change or option for this. And like everything else in the game, it could be added or fixed. If you are a content creator for the game, your personal opinion for the only way to play the game does not matter, it matters what the players want, especially when you sound like a jerk off. An option would be the PROFESSIONAL decision, not your personal opinion.
100% d´accord. An option would be great. And by the way: in iron man mode its defenitly a must. (and no i dont want to dismiss the heroes myself, i want to set a percentage from zero to 100% at beginning of the campaign)
Agree.
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