when does fragmented break?

[gozerius]

A fragged BG which finds itself in the path of a pursuing BG takes a CT on contact. If it fails it drops to broken and executes an initial rout move. If it passes and got hit by a legal "flank charge contact", it drops to broken, executing an initial rout move.
If the BG in the path of pursuers is disrupted or steady there is no CT. If it is contacted by a legal "flank charge contact", then it drops a cohesion level and fights the next Impact phase at "--".

[SirGarnet]

you take your mind out of the sequence for a second and pretend it's a charge. Then do all your moves. It occurs at the time of pursuit, but it's treated as a charge.Ian

P108 makes it clear enough that this is about what happens after the pursuit move contacts fresh enemy. Pursuers contact, then it is treated as a charge.

It is very clear about taking the fragmented test on contact and has to be express on the point because in the normal Impact Phase it's a PRE-contact test.

The next bullets are also clear that certain troops that "would be contacted by pursuers" may or must evade. Focus on this being "would be contacted," not contacted. No contact, so the pursuers move is not treated as a charge in that case.

Mike

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If I'm not as confused as you are, it's because I haven't been paying attention.

[deadtorius]

hope to clarify a few things here, R3 was already fragemented when S1 hit them in the flank. S2 hit R2 at a 90 degree angle and would have been a flank charge if I could have just gotten a little further forward, since only a bit of S2's base was in front of the extended line of R2 at the time of the impact, didn't make much sense for S2 to have to suddenly magically reappear in front of R2 when they definately hit them in the side so we turned the Romans, and yes I know normally I would have had to conform to enemy but this made more sense due to the angle of the impact and all.

S1 then hit R2 in the flank during their pursuit of R1, which occured during the Spanish turn.

So I guess R2 should have taken a test since they are kind of being charged and if passed would have broken on impact not during the next Impact Phase.
That was my intent with my original question, and just for the record this actually happened in a game, its not a theoretical question, lucky Spaniards