Charging from an Overlap Position

TERRYFROMSPOKANE · Post by **TERRYFROMSPOKANE** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:51 pm

Page 76 of the Manuever Phase section says a BG in front corner to front corner contact with the enemy is free to move away, but if it does not move away then it fights as an overpap if eligible to do so. I take this to mean a BG currently in overlap position is free to stay and fight or move during the Maneuver Phase. Is that correct?

How about during a succeeding Impact Phase? It appears to me said BG is free to charge a different enemy BG if it can legally do so. It also appears shock troops (unless prevented as per page 58) would have to pass a CMT not to make such a charge. Have I got that right?

Thanks.

Terry

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:57 pm

Terry,
We have played this that you are free to choose to charge but nor required to roll not to.
I do not have my book and do not know what we pieced together to reach that conclusion.
Gino
SMAC

TERRYFROMSPOKANE · Post by **TERRYFROMSPOKANE** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:02 pm

I have looked and looked at the "Troops Who May Charge Without Orders" section and I'll be darned if I can find anything that would prevent the need to take a CMT not to charge".

Terry

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:20 pm

It is on my Lookitup list for tonight.
Gino
SMAC

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:52 pm

I believe Terry is correct. Shock troops fighting purely as an overlap would be required to test not to charge an eligible enemy BG.

Pete

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:14 am

I have scoured the text and as noted cannot find the logic behind our reasoning on this one.
I have to attribute this to a DBM hold over that over lap was sufficent to hold fast blades and irregular knights in place.
One day we will be purged of that mess.
Gino
SMAC

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:23 pm

Deleted topic.

Madcam.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:30 pm

Of course.

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:32 pm

will it benefit from a leader if within range - meaning the leader is not attached to the BG?

I agree with Nik - but why do you think it might not?

Pete

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:26 pm

Deleted topic.

Madcam.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:31 pm

It is a CMT to avoid charging not a CT ...

david53 · Post by **david53** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:32 pm

madcam2us wrote:Under Commanders and Cohesion Test...

PG 113 - A BG in close combat can only count a commander who is with it....

so Nik, it seems I've mis-read something else....

Why do others think differently here...

Is fighting as an overlap not consider close combat?

Madcam.

Did'nt think it was, cause you can move away in your movement phase if you want too therefore you can't be in close combat.

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:32 pm

Sorry...

Because I Hi-jacked this question with my own we are talking past each other... I'll repost it own topic...

Madcam.

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:34 pm

david53 wrote:
madcam2us wrote:Under Commanders and Cohesion Test...

PG 113 - A BG in close combat can only count a commander who is with it....

so Nik, it seems I've mis-read something else....

Why do others think differently here...

Is fighting as an overlap not consider close combat?

Madcam.

Did'nt think it was, cause you can move away in your movement phase if you want too therefore you can't be in close combat.

deleted topic.

Madcam.

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:33 am

Close combat includes overlaps. Some rules apply to BGs in close combat except those in overlap.

BGs in overlap can move out of overlap, at which point they are no longer in close combat and any Commander in the front rank now reverts to being out of combat.

Since they are no longer in close combat, they are no longer barred from counting Commanders who are not with them for CTs.

My opinion is that close combat/overlap/melee status issues could be clarified in Frequently Asked Questions since they are.

Cheers,

Mike

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:43 pm

Sorry, my question has only added confusion to this query. I hi-jacked it with something I thought similiar but was in truth not germaine. If others want to continue my thread, please do so in its own topic which is also posted in the rule question forum.

I've deleted all of my posts concerning the matter save this one.

Madcam

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:35 pm

Page 50

Moving from overlap position

This allows you if in overlap and fought in the meele in the previous turn to either charge a different enemy, evade in the impact phase or move normally in the movement phase or continue to fight as an overlap.

Soundl like if they are impact troops and a new target moves in range they have to check sicne they are not locked in place by being an overlap. Another use for those pesky lights?