Cover and Line of Sight

[MattDower]

The rules on visibility and Line of Sight seem a bit minimalistic and well hidden!

Firstly, Are there any rules governing how a unit in cover can observe out of cover?
Do you need line of sight at the beginning of an Impact phase in order to charge or intercept?

Don't the limitations on BG formation stop terrain working correctly?
Wouldn't most units defending cover line the perimeter, even if is a "corner" of the terrain?
The need to be completely in terrain makes it especially difficult for 25mm figures which have significant depth to a formation.

Any comments?

[nikgaukroger]

Do you need line of sight at the beginning of an Impact phase in order to charge or intercept?

This at least is covered in the declaring charges section of the Impact Phase.

[MattDower]

This at least is covered in the declaring charges section of the Impact Phase.

Yes but does not seem to say, for instance, if a unit of light cavalry 1" into cover can see and charge a unit 4" outside of cover?

Is visiblity a 180 degree arc based on the front edge? or something else?
Can it be taken from a single corner (unlike shooting)?

[pbrandon]

Have a look at the FAQ as I believe it is covered there.

Paul

[nikgaukroger]

This from the FAQ may help with some of your queries:

9. VISIBILITY

How far can troops inside a forest see (or shoot) out?

The visibility distances specified for plantations, forests and villages apply equally to
- troops outside looking in at troops wholly inside
- troops wholly inside looking out
- troops wholly inside looking at other troops wholly inside.

When shooting, the total distance from the nearest front corner or part of the front edge of each shooting file to the target
must be within the specified distance. (It doesn't matter how much of the distance is in the terrain).

LF in brush, enclosed fields, vineyards and marsh can see out normally. When they shoot they become visible to all
bases of the battle group they are shooting at.

As for an "arc of visibility" as none is defined I take it to be 360 and from any point of a BG.

[SirGarnet]

Wouldn't most units defending cover line the perimeter, even if is a "corner" of the terrain?

It depends on the effect they are desiring from the terrain and whether they are seeking to remain concealed, in which case in many types of terrain (such as a wood) they would deploy a short distance inside where they can see what is going on out in the open but the troops and the glint of reflected sunlight are effectively concealed by the trees.

Mike

[gozerius]

Similarly, troops "in" a gully can see out but troops outside a gully can only see what's in the gully if within 1 MU. Troops inside the gully can see other troops in the gully. So a BG in a gully can declare a charge at someone outside the gully, but the BG outside a gully and further than 1 MU away cannot charge into the gully.

[MattDower]

Thanks for the FAQ Nick.

That makes sense - I should have looked there first