A question about trading

[vova7let]

So eventually I have started to read manual and there I have found some nice explanations, but now I am a bit confused:

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If I have a Ranch (produces cattle) and a Smokehouse (needs cattle) in the same region I just do not pay for the cattle, right? But if I have a Ranch two regions away from a region with a Smokehouse (and those 2 regions are inside my empire), in such case: will I get 2 money surplus (region with a Smokehouse pays 2 and region with Cattle gets 4), PROFIT?
Thank you in advnce

[jnpoint]

I understand it this way: If you have a building that gives you 6 gold 'income' because you have cattle in your region or in the neighbor region, then you only get 3 gold, if the cattle is more than 1 provins away and that region is also yours, and if the cattle is outside your border you get 0 gold 'income' from that building.
I might be wrong, but this seems to be more logic, if it is true.

[ledo]

So eventually I have started to read manual and there I have found some nice explanations, but now I am a bit confused:

If I have a Ranch (produces cattle) and a Smokehouse (needs cattle) in the same region I just do not pay for the cattle, right? But if I have a Ranch two regions away from a region with a Smokehouse (and those 2 regions are inside my empire), in such case: will I get 2 money surplus (region with a Smokehouse pays 2 and region with Cattle gets 4), PROFIT?
Thank you in advnce

I'm not 100% sure what you're asking, but yes you do make a profit from internal regional trade because your receiving province only pays half price.

[vova7let]

I'm not 100% sure what you're asking, but yes you do make a profit from internal regional trade because your receiving province only pays half price.

I am asking: is it better to build Ranch and Smokehouse in the same region or Smokehouse and Ranch should be in different regions (of course inside your empire and trade range)? In my opinion second is better, because you are getting bonus - half a price of trade good per turn, am I right?

[ledo]

You would be correct based on my reading of the manual

[findthesource]

I am asking: is it better to build Ranch and Smokehouse in the same region or Smokehouse and Ranch should be in different regions (of course inside your empire and trade range)? In my opinion second is better, because you are getting bonus - half a price of trade good per turn, am I right?

From what I understand from the manual and playing the game: it's better to build them in different regions, but the ranch has to be within the trade range of the smokehouse region (not further than 3 regions away by default).
However, keep in mind, that if there are multiple sources of cattle available, the smokehouse will prioritize the one with the highest trade acumen, even if it doesn't belong to you. So it is possible, that the cattle will be imported from a different country (in that case you will pay for the resource and it will be worse that having both structures in the same region).

[WhapXI]

It can seem beneficial to build resource-using buildings away from regions producing those resources, but the trade only really goes for the value of trade good, which are only like 4-9 gold per turn. It's never really a huge amount of money to make, especially when you only make half the value when trading internally.

I think on the whole it's probably better to build resource-using buildings in regions producing those resources BECAUSE it won't trade for them. Obviously you won't make any money on internal trade, but it also stops the possibility of another faction boosting their trade acumen and begin trading resources you produce to you, and actually costing you money.

[shockk]

Is there a way other counties can force your regions to trade with them over your internal trade resources? Iv always seen it prefer internal trade when possible. If they can't then the extra money really adds up fast. There is always good uses for more coin, worse case you buy a bunch of mercs.

Also you dont want to waste building slots on buildings the produce a trade good, as they tend to be weaker buildings

[loki100]

Yes, their trade acumen can offset the bias to an internal trade

[13obo]

My understanding is also that getting a resource from internal trading nets more benefit than getting it produced in the same province. Noone seems to have disputed this so far.

[jimwinsor]

My understanding is also that getting a resource from internal trading nets more benefit than getting it produced in the same province. Noone seems to have disputed this so far.

In general that's correct, with the one wrinkle being a foreign power supplier could end up snagging the trade deal instead (depending on Trade Acumen).

[Rosseau]

I hate to ask smart people a dumb question, but here goes:

If I need marble to build something, and that marble is not available within three regions' distance, am I out of luck - or do I just pay top dollar for marble from another empire producing it?

[ledo]

You pay top dollar from nobody if you're out of trade range. Trade range can be altered though so each region has it's own value adjusted for building modifiers.

[ledo]

It can seem beneficial to build resource-using buildings away from regions producing those resources, but the trade only really goes for the value of trade good, which are only like 4-9 gold per turn. It's never really a huge amount of money to make, especially when you only make half the value when trading internally.

I think on the whole it's probably better to build resource-using buildings in regions producing those resources BECAUSE it won't trade for them. Obviously you won't make any money on internal trade, but it also stops the possibility of another faction boosting their trade acumen and begin trading resources you produce to you, and actually costing you money.

Yeah it depends on trade acumen, countries like Carthage might feel pretty safe but non-trade focused countries probably want to avoid it. I think someone put a guide on steam with the idea of creating trade centres, maxing out trade range and acumen in one region where you then try to stack production of goods.