Responding to raiding

[Beorn]

The "client state" diplomacy option -- is this typically the result of a war? Such that if a neighbor is continuously raiding you, a legitimate solution is to defeat them and then set them up as a client state?

Are there other methods of dealing with raiding, when you do not want to add the territories of the offending faction to your own nation, due to the decadence hit? Are there effective ways to raise relations high enough to stop the raiding?

I suspect that defensive structures have little or no effect on raiding? How large a defensive force is generally required?

[loki100]

you get the client state option out of some combination of good relations and relative power. Its not a peace deal as such.

you can solve the raiding issue in one of two ways. Get relations >25, they go elsewhere (best route to do this is to send them some money - so you are trading payment for protection). Deploy garrisons, early game a few medium infantry will defeat most raids, by mid game a well fortified region should do so by itself.

So yes investing in military buildings is a good solution, especially those that raise 'defensiveness' of the region.

[thierry2015]

so
1
I am Carthage
I make war on numidia for that they are less powerful

2
I take their capital

3
I make peace

4
then after a while (offering money can help) the relationship will be good and as I will be powerful enough I could make it a client state

I'm wrong or it works?

5
if it works after a while I absorb them

so no need for a very long and expensive war, just hang their capital and send my units elsewhere

[loki100]

yes, that can work

[devoncop]

so
1
I am Carthage
I make war on numidia for that they are less powerful

2
I take their capital

3
I make peace

4
then after a while (offering money can help) the relationship will be good and as I will be powerful enough I could make it a client state

I'm wrong or it works?

5
if it works after a while I absorb them

so no need for a very long and expensive war, just hang their capital and send my units elsewhere

Surely you are just making extra work for yourself Thierry ?

Why not cut out stage 1 and just go straight to stage 2. Get the client state status without the relation but of the war ? The earlier you get that the sooner you start getting 15% of their income which would some make up for the pitifully small amount of money you may get from taking their capital by stealing their Treasury.

The only thing you miss out on is gaining experience for your army but I am sure a warlike chap like yourself can find other targets

[thierry2015]

good idea

in all viewed videos Numidie wants to make an alliance with Carthage

but I'm not sure they would agree to be a client state from the start of the game!

that's why I told myself that taking their capital then the country would drop their power and then agree to become my client state

[Pocus]

There are some benefits of not totally absorbing a nation. If you keep them at one region and they become your client state, they won't revolt against you. If you own all their regions, then they might at some point. Plus any nation has 10 free units, upkeep wise, meaning even a small client state can levy over time a decent army to help you.

[thierry2015]

There are some benefits of not totally absorbing a nation. If you keep them at one region and they become your client state, they won't revolt against you. If you own all their regions, then they might at some point. Plus any nation has 10 free units, upkeep wise, meaning even a small client state can levy over time a decent army to help you.

Good to know

but

Free unit

What is it ?
No use supply ?

Thanks

[loki100]

units have a cost to raise and a cost to maintain - the free units don't pay the maintenance part. So basically your client state can add 10 units to your combined armies - unlikely they will go anywhere useful (you don't control them) but I've had them sit in my capital and deal with small local rebellions

[thierry2015]

ok

but sorry i not understand

if

you don't control them

how did you do ?

I've had them sit in my capital and deal with small local rebellions

(Idid not see any video with a client state, it is pity)

[rs2excelsior]

I believe they mean that the AI still controls the armies of client states. So they automatically join your wars, but you can’t directly say “go here.” But sometimes when they’re wandering about in your home regions while your army is off fighting they can stumble into rebel groups and defeat them for you.

[vakarr]

Also a client state, if it has more than one region, will give you at least one of its regions at some stage provided you are sufficiently powerful. Client states eventually also pay you some money (how much depends on how rich they are, but it's not usually very much).

[devoncop]

Also a client state, if it has more than one region, will give you at least one of its regions at some stage provided you are sufficiently powerful. Client states eventually also pay you some money (how much depends on how rich they are, but it's not usually very much).

I believe a Client State pays 15% of its income and has a 10% chance per turn of handing over a region to its "protector" state if that state holds three regions surrounding that client state.

[thierry2015]

thank you so much for answers

Yes pay 15% of income (see manual)

And for regions :

POCUS

Not for now, you can only give cash to a client state. But a client state can relinquish a region which is surrounded by 3+ regions of his protector (or even adjacent to a region of his protector, if it is also one of the protector objective).

Supply sharing is done between allies and client states / protectors yes.

[Pocus]

minor addendum, if the client state is a tribal nation, it will give some manpower (federated barbarians somehow) and less in money (huu, minting pieces? why, barter is good enough!)