Panzer Corps 2 Community Contest - Stage 2

AlbertoC · Post by **AlbertoC** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:23 am

Please refer to: http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 60#p791860

UPDATED

Thanks for everyones amazing input. Even those of you who didn't actually read the original request properly .. thanks for the effort!

So we've still got a few missing units we could do with help on and I wanted to narrow it down and prevent anyone wasting their time.

What I'm currently missing is

4x Italian Army

5x Soviet Navy
5x German Navy
5x Italian Navy
5x British Navy
5x US Navy

More Russian and German Infantry would be useful.

I don't think the Navy Heroes will be required for first release but I expect they'll be hard to find so would like to start hunting for them now.

I have to emphasise again .. these have to be verifiably Public Domain, preferably CC0. If you cannot show this then you're wasting your time and we don't want you doing that.

NOTES:
- We cannot use Bundesarchiv photos. Their CC-BY-SA means we would have to give the game away for free because the images will be cropped and coloured.
- Neither can we use images from ww2online.com unless a particular images legality can be verified.
- Same goes for many other big name organisations - Getty, Time, Life, Alamy or any other magazines or agencies that claim the rights. This includes most of the images in the photosnormandie flicker stream - including the US National Archive images which are CC-BY-SA
- Just becasue a third party website says a picture is public domain, it can't be taken as truth, need to check source.
- If no license information is provided there's no point in posting it.
- CC0, Public Domain, Copyright free .. these are usually, but not always good indicators.
-As much as possible we do not want well known pictures .. so no pictures of the SS guys in the Ardennes, no well known Knights Cross, Victoria Cross or Medal of Honour winners, no famous aces. The point is we just want your ordinary squaddie who does something extra ordinary.
- No pictures of SS at all since we just end up having to paint out their insignia, it looks silly and makes people upset.
- Tanks, while having lots of personality, and making for some undoubtably awesome and striking pictures, aren't the kind of portraits we're after.
- And dogs. We don't need dogs. But thanks for putting a smile on our faces.
I- 'll be using a lot of Australians as RAF .. mostly because they flew in RAF squadrons from Britain. So technically they're classed as RAF crew on secondment ( My Grandad served with Canadian crew in a British squadron in Burma) so seems reasonable. And the pictures are free to use.

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:45 am

Just to show how difficult copyright question can be:

Alamy.com
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-danny ... d0%26pl%3d

Archives.gov
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/532566 From picture details: "Access Restriction(s): Unrestricted Use Restriction(s): Unrestricted"

Same picture, different copyrights...

.:. Frank .:.

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:23 pm

Some public domain pictures - USA:

Lt. Samuel R. Keesler, an aerial observer in World War I, is the namesake for Keesler Air Force Base
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 5191819033)

During World War I in 1918, Lt. Frank Luke brought down three German observation balloons in 35 minutes.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 5163619811)

Ok, these 2 are from WWI, but maybe they can be used...

2nd Lt. Harold E. Hoskin is shown in 1943.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 2477818926)

orld War II veteran John Martinez was a staff sergeant in 1945.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 5830822700)

Staff Sgt Roy E. Talbott is shown third from left in the bottom row with fellow crewmembers during World War II. Mr. Talbott received a Purple Heart Aug. 21 at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas. He served as a B-24 gunner with the 72nd Bomb Squadron of the 13th Air Force's 5th Bomb Group, and received the Purple Heart for injuries he received in an attack by Japanese fighter planes in the Pacific Theater during World War II.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 2398613181)

Lts. Ken Taylor and George Welch responded to the Pearl Harbor attack by finding two unharmed P-40 fighters at Haleiwa Field.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 4998012905)

1940's -- Colonel Francis S. Gabreski,
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 5305812704)
Brig. Gen. James H. Doolittle

(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 3893214162)

Lt. Claude M Schonberger.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 4716023163)

Army Sgt. Anthony Duno pictured in 1944
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 3615412928)

First Lt. Carl Hoenshell poses in his P-38 Lightning during World War II.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 3723818825)

(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 5289015935)
General Henry H. Hap Arnold

First Lt. Leo Bach when he was a 381st Bomb Group aircrew member in World War II.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 5199614814)

Tech. Sgt. Robert Leidenfrost was a bombardier with the 560th Squadron under the 388th Bombardment Group during World War II.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 4693212071)

Brig. Gen. Robert F. McDermott flew 61 combat missions while serving in the European theater during World War II.
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 5509212412)

Retired Col. Walker
(Source: http://www.publicdomainfiles.com/show_f ... 4720217850)

Other source:

From top left: Major Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the 1st Russian Women's Battalion of Death, Lieutenant-Colonel Vivian Bullwinkel, Captain Flora Sandes, the graveside service of Captain Stephanie Czech Rader, and Sergeant Milunka Savić. (Heritage Images/Getty Images; CC-BY 3.0; Mendelssohn, F B & Company; public domain; Rachel Larue/public pomain; public domain)
(Source: https://www.missedinhistory.com/podcast ... -spies.htm)

.:. Frank .:.

dmwban · Post by **dmwban** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:57 pm

The site https://www.worldwar2.ro has a plethora of information about the Romanian Army in WW2: Organization, Order of Battle, Units, Weapons, Operations, Generals etc. I'm sure that if you contact the authors they can give you more information about the usage. ATM the site states only for private use, but more for being on the safe side probably. All photos have a source mentioned, that can be contacted, if need be. Besides, it's a good one stop site for information on the topic. Even if they charge something, it's worth trying imo.

On the contact form they state: This site is the product of the authors' interest in military history, in their spare time.

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:36 pm

dmwban wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:57 pm The site https://www.worldwar2.ro has a plethora of information about the Romanian Army in WW2: Organization, Order of Battle, Units, Weapons, Operations, Generals etc. I'm sure that if you contact the authors they can give you more information about the usage. ATM the site states only for private use, but more for being on the safe side probably. All photos have a source mentioned, that can be contacted, if need be. Besides, it's a good one stop site for information on the topic. Even if they charge something, it's worth trying imo.

On the contact form they state: This site is the product of the authors' interest in military history, in their spare time.

Been there.

If you check on the bottom of the homepage it say:

"The information and photos on this site are for personal use only"

.:. F .:.

dmwban · Post by **dmwban** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:03 pm

you quoted my post entirely, but overlooked my suggestion:

"I'm sure that if you contact the authors they can give you more information about the usage. ATM the site states only for private use, but more for being on the safe side probably. All photos have a source mentioned, that can be contacted, if need be. [...] Even if they charge something, it's worth trying imo."

As most of the photographs belong to museums, I cannot imagine that they charge a lot.

johnnythek · Post by **johnnythek** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:41 pm

I saw this post late, and I may not be sending you what you want, but sending it anyway: below is the link to a website about my father, a bombardier navigator on a B17 whose plane got shot down (on his final mission!), got taken prisoner by the Nazis, and was housed in Stalag Luft 1 near Barth (and not far from the missile sites at Peenemunde). His photo, German POW card, B17 crew photo are there. He passed away in 2010 at the age of 88. Like most of his generation, he never talked much about his war experience until the end, and I never fully realized until after he was gone how much we owe to him and men and women like him in The Greatest Generation. Hope you can make use of it.

http://www.merkki.com/kirkhamjohn.htm

dmwban · Post by **dmwban** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:28 pm

@johnnythek
these real stories totally catch my attention. Somehow after a plunge in such a real episode, every game feels shallow. I would prefer so much more to listen to or read a true story, than play a game.

@devs
please put more background information about the conflicts, units and the people into the game

dmwban · Post by **dmwban** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:44 pm

Reasons for some romanian photographs being public domain:
This work was first published in Romania and is now in the public domain because its copyright protection has expired by virtue of the Law on Copyrights, enacted 2004, 2005 and 2006, amended 2010. This may be due to the work expiring under the terms of Decree No. 321 of 1956 prior to the enactment of the 1996 law. The work meets one of the following criteria:

It is an anonymous work or pseudonymous work and 70 years have passed since the date of its publication
It is a photographic work and 70 years have passed since the year of its publication
It is another kind of work, and 70 years have passed since the year of death of the author (or last-surviving author)
It is another kind of work, the author is a legal entity („persoană juridică” - not a person) and 50 years have passed since the date of its publication
The copyright is owned by the author's descendants, and the author died before 1946 (50 pma)
The copyright is owned by someone older than 25 other than immediate family or descendants, and the author died before 1981 (15 pma)
It is a dictionary or encyclopedia published before 1976 (20 years from publication; use {{PD-RO-1956}})
It is an artistic photograph, part of a series, published before 1986 (use {{PD-RO-photo}})
It is an isolated artistic photograph published before 1991 (use {{PD-RO-photo}})

Romanian Fighter IAR-80
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iar80abkg.jpg
Romanian Dive Bomber IAR-81 here Version C
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... aripa).jpg
Two more IAR-80:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IAR-80.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IAR80.jpg

maybe these should go with the same reason as the wiki-commons:
https://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/?article=743
"Magazin Aeronautic" being a romanian magazine from 1943.
https://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/?article=687
also a magazine from 1943
But you may want to talk to the website authors before using it.

These magazines no longer exist.

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:16 pm

A few examples of Public Domain pictures from

World War II Database

Source: https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=2369

https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=6423

https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=22399

https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=1001

https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=5769

_________________________
And some pictures as unknown picture rights, in example:

Source: https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=6220

_________________________
Note: A lot of the pictures at World War II Database are from German Federal Archive (Bundesarchiv)

.:. Frank .:.

lubber333 · Post by **lubber333** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:54 am

I have a Portrait of my Great-Grandpa in uniform, but before i post it, i wanted to ask if you even use personal photos, where you basically have to take our word for it that you can use it?

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:45 pm

Hi.

Today I have browse approx 250 000 pictures and these are the only pictures confirmed Public Domain:

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthat ... 961327436/

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthat ... 960730169/

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthat ... 961326092/

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthat ... 960729215/

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthat ... 957737553/

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthat ... 822044058/

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthat ... 822043116/

.:. Frank .:.

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:00 pm

Into something completly different.

These are public pictures, but I do not know if it is public domain. But wanted to show just and promote a idea of figures based upon the heroes in the game:

https://s179.photobucket.com/user/mikeyrumi/profile

.:. F .:.

Spiffing Brit · Post by **Spiffing Brit** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:45 am

This is a picture of Robert S. Morehouse, a USAAF aviator over Germany. He won the Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster twice for his valor. No need to worry about copyright, as I own the picture.

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:15 am

Russian pilots:

Pilot Major Lomantsev
Source: http://interesno.cc/article/7807/bez-ce ... 1945-godov

Soviet pilot feeds pigeons in moments of rest
Source: http://dvorec.ru/holiday/velikaya_otehe ... a_foto.php

Maria Dolina, Hero of the Soviet Union, Captain Guard, Deputy Squadron Commander of the 125th Guards Bomber Aviation Regiment of the 4th Guards Bomber Aviation Division. Maria Ivanovna Dolina (12/18/1922-03.03.2010) made 72 combat sorties on the Pe-2 dive bomber, dropped 45 tons of bombs on the enemy. In six air battles shot down 3 enemy fighters.
Source: http://dvorec.ru/holiday/velikaya_otehe ... a_foto.php

Russian soldier:

Scout A.G. Frolchenko
Source: http://interesno.cc/article/7807/bez-ce ... 1945-godov

I am not able to find any information about copyright at these pictures, as my russian is rather rusty...
.:. Frank .:.

lubber333 · Post by **lubber333** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:33 pm

So far no aswer, so i'll just post the pic of my Greatgrandpa anyway:

Patrick Ward · Post by **Patrick Ward** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:18 pm

Hey guys,

Just back off holiday so I'm only now catching up.

I've replied to some of you via PM so you might want to check.

Where the image is good enough I'll try to use family photos, however I don't think the names will be matched in-game as we'll have more names than photos and they'll likely be randomly assigned.

So what I'm currently missing is

4x Italian Army

5x Soviet Navy
5x German Navy
5x Italian Navy
5x British Navy
5x US Navy

More Russian and German Infantry would be useful.

I don't think the Navy Heroes will be required for first release but I expect they'll be hard to find so would like to start hunting for them now.

I have to emphasise again .. these have to be verifiably Public Domain, preferably CC0. If you cannot show this then you're wasting your time and we don't want you doing that.

NOTES:
- We cannot use Bundesarchiv photos. Their CC-BY-SA means we would have to give the game away for free because the images will be cropped and coloured.
- Neither can we use images from ww2online.com unless a particular images legality can be verified.
- Same goes for many other big name organisations - Getty, Time, Life, Alamy or any other magazines or agencies that claim the rights. This includes most of the images in the photosnormandie flicker stream - including the US National Archive images which are CC-BY-SA
- Just becasue a third party website says a picture is public domain, it can't be taken as truth, need to check source.
- If no license information is provided there's no point in posting it.
- CC0, Public Domain, Copyright free .. these are usually, but not always good indicators.
-As much as possible we do not want well known pictures .. so no pictures of the SS guys in the Ardennes, no well known Knights Cross, Victoria Cross or Medal of Honour winners, no famous aces. The point is we just want your ordinary squaddie who does something extra ordinary.
- No pictures of SS at all since we just end up having to paint out their insignia, it looks silly and makes people upset.
- Tanks, while having lots of personality, and making for some undoubtably awesome and striking pictures, aren't the kind of portraits we're after.
- And dogs. We don't need dogs. But thanks for putting a smile on our faces.
I- 'll be using a lot of Australians as RAF .. mostly because they flew in RAF squadrons from Britain. So technically they're classed as RAF crew on secondment ( My Grandad served with Canadian crew in a British squadron in Burma) so seems reasonable. And the pictures are free to use.
- please don't post nonsense or just-for-fun images. It just slows the process down.

Thanks again for the amazing effort.

Pat (Art Director)

TheVasily · Post by **TheVasily** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:50 pm

Patrick Ward · Post by **Patrick Ward** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:08 pm

TheVasily wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:50 pm Here it is
Copyright:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... pyright%2F
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... catalog%2F

1x Romanian Army - air
https://translate.google.ru/translate?s ... румынии%2F

4x Italian Army
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... nt_life%2F

5x Soviet Navy
http://waralbum.ru/category/people/navy/russian_navy/
http://waralbum.ru/category/weapons/shi ... ian_ships/

5x German Navy
http://waralbum.ru/category/people/navy/german_navy/

5x Italian Navy
http://waralbum.ru/326474/
http://waralbum.ru/323268/
http://waralbum.ru/320658/

5x British Navy
http://waralbum.ru/category/weapons/shi ... ish_ships/

5x US Navy
http://waralbum.ru/category/weapons/shi ... can_ships/

Thanks.

But waralbum.ru doesn't provide sources for the actual image, just the website. Many of them are from the Dutch National archives which are actually made up of multiple archives with varying degrees of copyright. Many more are from Sputnik, a Russian propaganda/tabloid agency.

Oracle1990 · Post by **Oracle1990** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:02 am

Not excatly what You are looking for, but this could be used as Red Army reference for uniforms (maybe in PC3?

):

http://www.rkka.ru/iuniform.htm

There are several pictures at the site, but I am not able to find any information about picture use/copyright.

.:. Frank .:.

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