Bug report:(order to)dismounted muslim armored lancers' models are smaller than normal units

[Dux Limitis]

The thing will only happen when you order them to dismount,but when you deploy the already dismounted muslim armored cavalry unit(massed) the thing will not happen.It's a really funny bug,I think.

[rbodleyscott]

I have looked at them in the Squads file, where both the pre-dismounted and dismounted units are scaled the same, using the same models, and also in game.

I think the dismounted lancers do look slightly shorter/smaller than the infantry spearmen, though this is partly because the latter have bulkier turbans and robes.

After viewing them in game from all angles, I think that the pre-dismounted ones and the dismounted ones are in fact the same size as each other, and the difference you are seeing between them is an optical illusion, a) because the single ranked units are slightly further back than the front rank of the two rank units, and the way the 3D view works makes them look smaller. b) because the Average ones have their feet hidden in grass, which makes them look even smaller.

I think it would be no bad thing, however, if we scaled them up slightly in the next update, so that they did not look slightly shorter than the infantry spearmen. (Although it is arguable whether the helmets or turbans would in fact be higher).

[Dux Limitis]

I have looked at them in the Squads file, where both the pre-dismounted and dismounted units are scaled the same, using the same models, and also in game.

I think the dismounted lancers do look slightly shorter/smaller than the infantry spearmen, though this is partly because the latter have bulkier turbans and robes.

After viewing them in game from all angles, I think that the pre-dismounted ones and the dismounted ones are in fact the same size as each other, and the difference you are seeing between them is an optical illusion, a) because the single ranked units are slightly further back than the front rank of the two rank units, and the way the 3D view works makes them look smaller. b) because the Average ones have their feet hidden in grass, which makes them look even smaller.

I think it would be no bad thing, however, if we scaled them up slightly in the next update, so that they did not look slightly shorter than the infantry spearmen. (Although it is arguable whether the helmets or turbans would in fact be higher).

Umm,I think it's not only an optical illusion,because the other dismountable units(like barbarian noble lancers,frankish lancers) don't have this problem.Whatever,I'd happy to see maybe they'll be scaled up slightly in the next update.And,an advise of the new infantry units' who have archers,even they take no additional effect,but I think should write them in the overall effect of the detailed unit information,like "offensive spearmen,+100vs any troops unless the spearmen are charging mounted shock troops(including the effect of archers).","defensive spearmen,+100vs any troops if not charging, or vs defensive spearmen(including the effect of archers)."If these units' informations don't write like this I think they will make many people misunderstanding,although they're just cosmetics,but write them in the unit's detailed information will only take a few time and will make them more convincing and more"reasonable".

[melm]

Hi Dux, which Arab list do you have the dismountable cavalry? I am surprised that I didn't find any has it.

[rbodleyscott]

Hi Dux, which Arab list do you have the dismountable cavalry? I am surprised that I didn't find any has it.

Armoured muslim lancers are all dismountable. There are few situations where this is going to be useful.

[melm]

Hi Dux, which Arab list do you have the dismountable cavalry? I am surprised that I didn't find any has it.

Armoured muslim lancers are all dismountable. There are few situations where this is going to be useful.

But it is not the case on my end. I will have another check.

[rbodleyscott]

Hi Dux, which Arab list do you have the dismountable cavalry? I am surprised that I didn't find any has it.

Armoured muslim lancers are all dismountable. There are few situations where this is going to be useful.

But it is not the case on my end. I will have another check.

All dismountable troops are only dismountable in the Deployment phase. They are not dismountable during the battle, and (for technical reasons) they are not dismountable in the Force Selection phase.

[melm]

Ah. You are absolutely right. They are dismoutable after force selection phase, i.e. deployment phase. I used to try to dismount them in force selection phase, which is not viable.

[melm]

Armoured muslim lancers are all dismountable. There are few situations where this is going to be useful.

But it is not the case on my end. I will have another check.

All dismountable troops are only dismountable in the Deployment phase. They are not dismountable during the battle, and (for technical reasons) they are not dismountable in the Force Selection phase.

You got exactly where I am wrong. I am going to check out the model scale now.

[melm]

I feel they are at the same scale. I used Shift+3 to have a close look. Here is the screenshot.

Screen_00000071.jpg (758.23 KiB) Viewed 3861 times

[rbodleyscott]

Whatever,I'd happy to see maybe they'll be scaled up slightly in the next update.

This will be done.

[Dux Limitis]

Hi Dux, which Arab list do you have the dismountable cavalry? I am surprised that I didn't find any has it.

All muslim Arab lists are got them.

[Dux Limitis]

Whatever,I'd happy to see maybe they'll be scaled up slightly in the next update.

This will be done.

Thanks in advance.

[Dux Limitis]

I feel they are at the same scale. I used Shift+3 to have a close look. Here is the screenshot.Screen_00000071.jpg

Maybe because your unit which on the screenshot's left is on the lower ground?I checked it up again,used your's way,but seems it's still smaller(I used the superior muslim lancer to dismount).

[rbodleyscott]

Yes, it looks smaller, because of 3D perspective. In reality both models are exactly the same height. (They are the same model, with the same scaling).

Compare them with the adjacent 2-rank dismounted unit, they are higher than the front rank, but lower than the rear rank - because they are positioned half way between the two.

The eye is perceiving them as smaller because of an optical illusion.

[Dux Limitis]

Yes, it looks smaller, because of 3D perspective. In reality both models are exactly the same height. (They are the same model, with the same scaling).

Compare them with the adjacent 2-rank dismounted unit, they are higher than the front rank, but lower than the rear rank - because they are positioned half way between the two.

The eye is perceiving them as smaller because of an optical illusion.

Really strange,the barbarian and Frankish armored lancers don't have this situation when order them to dismount.

[Paul59]

Yes, it looks smaller, because of 3D perspective. In reality both models are exactly the same height. (They are the same model, with the same scaling).

Compare them with the adjacent 2-rank dismounted unit, they are higher than the front rank, but lower than the rear rank - because they are positioned half way between the two.

The eye is perceiving them as smaller because of an optical illusion.

Really strange,the barbarian and Frankish armored lancers don't have this situation when order them to dismount.

I disagree, I think the other types of Dismounted Lancers also look slightly smaller. But I agree with RBS, it has to be an optical illusion, the models and the scaling factors are the same for all those units.

[Dux Limitis]

Yes, it looks smaller, because of 3D perspective. In reality both models are exactly the same height. (They are the same model, with the same scaling).

Compare them with the adjacent 2-rank dismounted unit, they are higher than the front rank, but lower than the rear rank - because they are positioned half way between the two.

The eye is perceiving them as smaller because of an optical illusion.

Really strange,the barbarian and Frankish armored lancers don't have this situation when order them to dismount.

I disagree, I think the other types of Dismounted Lancers also look slightly smaller. But I agree with RBS, it has to be an optical illusion, the models and the scaling factors are the same for all those units.

No,look at the next.

[Dux Limitis]

@rbodleyscott I found it,it's really not an optical illusion,I compared the dismount muslim lancer with another dismountable muslim cavalry(ghulam) ,the muslim lancer's models when dismount are really smaller.

[rbodleyscott]

@rbodleyscott I found it,it's really not an optical illusion,I compared the dismount muslim lancer with another dismountable muslim cavalry(ghulam) ,the muslim lancer's models when dismount are really smaller.

Yes, and we will be scaling them up slightly in the next update. But the single ranked ones are not smaller than the double ranked ones - that is the optical illusion we were referring to.