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hammy wrote:
900, the same size as Burton. I know Graham has 19 or so at 800 but he must be cutting corners somewhere. The Burton list we used was all missile and mounted troops as superior, all foot armoured, all BGs apart from the Huns 4 and all TCs.
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OoM Troops Type Armour Quality Training Sh POA Im POA Me POA Special Number of bases
TC - - - - - - CinC 1
TC - - - - - - - 3
1 Field army auxiliaries MF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
1 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
2 Field army auxiliaries MF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
2 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
3 Field army auxiliaries MF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
3 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
4 Field army auxiliaries MF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
4 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
5 Field army auxiliaries MF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
5 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
6 Field army auxiliaries MF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
6 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
7 Auxiliary archers MF Unprot Superior Drilled Bow - - - 4
8 Auxiliary archers MF Unprot Superior Drilled Bow - - - 4
9 Equites sagittarii LH Unprot Superior Drilled Bow - - - 4
10 Equites sagittarii LH Unprot Superior Drilled Bow - - - 4
11 Equites Illyricani etc. LH Unprot Superior Drilled Javelins Light sp - - 4
12 Equites Illyricani etc. LH Unprot Superior Drilled Javelins Light sp - - 4
13 Slingers LF Unprot Superior Drilled Sling - - - 4
14 Field army legionaries HF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
14 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
15 Field army legionaries HF Armoured Average Drilled - Light sp Sword - 4
15 supporting archers LF Unprot Average Drilled Bow - - - 2
16 City militia MF Protected Poor Undrilled - Light sp - - 4
17 Huns LH Unprot Superior Drilled Bow - Sword - 4
madaxeman wrote: I also struggle to see how the army list should be allowing a Roman army to turn up with all its bowmen, LF and light horse as superior, and all its auxiliaries and legionaries as average quality.
As Hammy noted only 6 - max of 36 field army auxilia. You can have more auxilia but then they are Poor IIRC.madaxeman wrote: If restricting it to 6's means there are only 7 possible BGs of auxilia that may in itself be enough - Graham uses the full 9 AFAIK
As in all but one of our games in Burton at least two, if not four of the MF BGs didn't actually get into action a reduction in numbers would not be that much of a loss IMO.nikgaukroger wrote:As Hammy noted only 6 - max of 36 field army auxilia. You can have more auxilia but then they are Poor IIRC.madaxeman wrote: If restricting it to 6's means there are only 7 possible BGs of auxilia that may in itself be enough - Graham uses the full 9 AFAIK
True, I had 4 'spare' BGs there and another 'spare' one on the left. Had I only had three BGs in the terrain waiting I don't think it would have made much difference especially if they were bigger and better BGs.philqw78 wrote:A reduction in the numbers of MF Armd BG would be a massive loss. You do not realise, or have decided to ignore the threat they cause.
I could not use the centre of the table in our game against you at Burton.
You had at least 4 BG of Aux sat 6 MU from your baseline in a large piece of uneven there. They played no part in the combat but, If I had started to cross the table you would have pulled my formation to bits with your lights and commenced with the interception charges.
I would have an extra BG of legionaries who are actually better in the open than the Aux and where I was often needing to use a pair of BGs (which to be honest I didn't do that much against you) I would have been able to use one from time to time.But if the BG minimum was 6 bases you would have 3 less BG of Armd Aux. A big difference in effectiveness of the army. What could you put in their place?
I think you used some of your moderator super powers here Hammy as the quote is the bit I wrote originally. Hmmm! Power corrupts. 
Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid as there are Palatina shooty units and Palatina is a guide for being Superior.timmy1 wrote:Nick
I think you have it. 'Meant to pick up on this one earlier as it is a good point from the historical PoV - what would happen do you think if, say, you had to have at least as many non-shooty Superior BGs as you had shooty ones?' I can't state 100% what the historical justification is after the legion reform but it seems to fit that the Legion and Aux Platina (sp?) etc would be better than, or as good, as the shooty stuff.
Yes, I am not sure what happened there. The extra BG of legionaries is what I posted hmm....philqw78 wrote:I would have an extra BG of legionaries who are actually better in the open than the Aux and where I was often needing to use a pair of BGs (which to be honest I didn't do that much against you) I would have been able to use one from time to time.But if the BG minimum was 6 bases you would have 3 less BG of Armd Aux. A big difference in effectiveness of the army. What could you put in their place?
It might be a bit harder work and need a bit more thought and planning but I think that I could achieve similar effects with only 6 MF Bgs and an extra BG of legionaries. You might find BGs of 4+2 Aux deployed 3 wide in places but that isn't IMO much of an issue.
I haven't but am considering buying the new Zvezda figures to let me make onestenic wrote:Out of curiosity, has any one tried the small MF Auxiliary BGs Dominate army in 25mm at 650AP?
In the interests of determining if it's a 'killer' army it might add to the discussion either way. Of course there is the point that 25mm events are more likely to be open events so shedloads of small MF BGs could end up as speed bumps for knights.
Steve P
