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. There are still some supply cap changes needed. Here is my list:In my historical Mod, all your balancing I turned upside downbebro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:25 pm The K 18 change is a result from the forum debate. For now the +1 CP goes to towed arty clearly over 150 mm. 155 and 149 are considered as in the general 150er field, so the Long Tom was not changed so far, but for example 7.2 inch UK (=over 180mm) guns got it too.
, the largest number of changes were in the artillery, also because Afrika Korps complained the most about shortages of artillery equipment and used a lot of captured guns
Yes, indeed. However not cannone (cannon) but obice (howitzer) 149mm, range 7 and much higher cost of purchase but amount of supply points (3+1 for transport) the same as a smaller cannon 105mm
Those CP and higher RP values sound good
, but what I meant is that there seems to be something wrong. In the game there is Cannone da 149/19, but like you said there's no such thing but Obice da 149/19. This cannot have a range of 7 but 5. The range 7 gun should be Cannone da 149/40.
Cannone 149/40 - you're right but... I set correct values (4 CPs) for Obice 149/19 because it's clear for me that this model refers to Obice (shorter barrel, cannone had longer - see pictures below) and at the same time, I decreased the range to 6CoolDTA wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:49 pmThose CP and higher RP values sound good
If it was introduced here it should have this coefficient at 7 or even 8 (hexes) I suppose, because it had a range about 23 km in reality )kondi754 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:53 pm Cannone 149/40 - you're right but... I set correct values (4 CPs) for Obice 149/19 because it's clear for me that this model refers to Obice (shorter barrel, cannone had longer - see pictures below) and at the same time, I decreased the range to 6
German 10.5cm leFH18 and 15cm sFH18 had range about 10 km (it's 5 hexes in OoB), but Obice 149/19 had almost 15 km, so I set 6 - this is the most powerful Italian gun in the game, so should be "worth" more CPs than the rest
Cannone 149/40 doesn't exist in OoB
EDIT. And should be more expansive in RPs, of course (now it has 180 RPS, but German 17cm K18 has 250 RPs, for example, and these are comparable cannons
and finally (I suppose it's well-known here ) I'm an advocate of compliance with historical facts and Cannone 149/40 has never been produced on a mass scale (obly 60 cannons until October 1941 
), the Italian Army still used old Cannone 149/35 mostlyYou mean the range of 15320 m? True, but that's after post-war improvements and therefore not applicable here:
Range of 6 is imo well founded. And it is ok to have one "big gun" for each faction though Germany already have the 17K18. What I said about 149/40 was directed to the original e-file. You can verify it also by checking out the values of Semovente da 149/40 in the e-file (exactly the same naturally). And of that only a single prototype was made!
The Artillery rangeI definitely agree with the "logarithmical" approach and min range of 3 sounds ok. In PzC some assault guns have a range of 1, but this game doesn't have rate of fire or arty support, so it wouldn't work. For Katyusha a range of four is imo too much. In all these kind of games I've played it has been 2 - 3 which is good and reasonable for rocket arty. But for you, too: it is your mod and only you decide.GabeKnight wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:36 am At some point, you can't use an exact linear conversion of meters to hex, otherwise arty like the German 17K18 should have range~13-15hex and the K5 railway gun with 60+km range would be something like 26-30 hex (it's actually done with range=18 in the Anzio scen), which does not work well in this game. So I've taken a rather "logarithmical" approach with arty ranges, and given my "Schienengeschütz" a range of 11, for example.
Also, range=2 might be actually fitting for some arty units, like the StuG or some light towed pieces, but that's not practical in the game neither IMO. Minimum should be 3 hexes. Some exception may be the Nebelwerfer, Wurfrahmen and Katyusha - too strong.
In my mod, I've increased the Katyusha range to 4 for now, but that may have to change back once the Soviet faction becomes playable in the future DLCs. Too powerful for a human player.
It is for a human controlled unit, definitely. But the AI can't handle such powerful, but fragile, unit correctly in my opinion. Leaves the Katyusha too exposed, and with range=2 it knows no better. I don't think the AI ever landed more than one hit with it, before I made it a priority to destroy the Katyusha as soon as possible. No problem when it's right in front of you. I've played a couple of scens with the range=4 setting, and now that thing finally does some inimidating efficiency damage, safe and sound behind the own lines.
Very interesting comparison, definitely I'll use it in futureGabeKnight wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:36 am I've based some of my changed arty ranges on this table from the Admiral:
artytable.jpg
At some point, you can't use an exact linear conversion of meters to hex, otherwise arty like the German 17K18 should have range~13-15hex and the K5 railway gun with 60+km range would be something like 26-30 hex (it's actually done with range=18 in the Anzio scen), which does not work well in this game. So I've taken a rather "logarithmical" approach with arty ranges, and given my "Schienengeschütz" a range of 11, for example.
Also, range=2 might be actually fitting for some arty units, like the StuG or some light towed pieces, but that's not practical in the game neither IMO. Minimum should be 3 hexes. Some exception may be the Nebelwerfer, Wurfrahmen and Katyusha - too strong.
In my mod, I've increased the Katyusha range to 4 for now, but that may have to change back once the Soviet faction becomes playable in the future DLCs. Too powerful for a human player.
