Mixed formation casualties

[Scrumpy]

Just seeking clarification on a couple of rules after a Med. Germans v Later Danes game yesterday.

The Danes had a mixed HF Hw & MF Xb unit that lost one of the HF front rank to shooting. The Swiss allied pike then fail a 'do not charge' test and go through their LF screen and hit the luckless & exposed MF Xb guy.

My opponent feeds a spare file of HF / MF into the combat to face my other file of Pk, and in melee I kill one of his bases.

Is he allowed to remove the single file of MF Xb, then slide the remaining file of HF/MF into the space, or must he remove the HF from the front of the HF/MF combo in contact ?

The position was as follows

MF MF MF MF MF
HF MF HF my opponent wanting it to go thus HF HF instead of HF MF MF
Pk Pk Pk Pk Pk Pk
Pk Pk Pk Pk Pk Pk


It is very improtant that we get this rule right, as this was one of the 3 things that went right for me all bloody game !

My other block of superior Swiss Pike getting combined 1 hit in their initial impact & melee round against another mixed formation.

Cheers

[hazelbark]

A better visual might be


X_X
HXH
PP
PP
PP
PP

So that is melee point. Where P the Pike inflict a base loss on the HW/XB unit. There are NO other BGs in overlap or matter.

Is their a requirement which base is removed? meaning the single XB in the front or the Heavy weapon in frontal contact.

Being MY MF XB i think the rules are clear the owner fo the BG takes their choice of eligible and slides over. But I have been wrong before...even against scrumpy.

[hammy]

OK,

I think what you are describing was:

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MfMfMf
HfHfHfMf
      PkPk
      PkPk

The MF BG then feeds in a file to get this:

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MfMf  Mf
HfHfMfHf
    PkPk
    PkPk

Or at least that is what you should have got.

When you kill another base he has to remove a front rank base so can remove the MF fighting the pike leaving this:

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MfMf  Mf
HfHf  Hf
    PkPk
    PkPk

The 'hole' in the front rank has to be replaced following the rules on p116. According to P116 the missing base has to be filled in from a rear rank if possible. Front rank bases can be used only if there are no rear rank bases available.

[lawrenceg]

Just seeking clarification on a couple of rules after a Med. Germans v Later Danes game yesterday.

The Danes had a mixed HF Hw & MF Xb unit that lost one of the HF front rank to shooting. The Swiss allied pike then fail a 'do not charge' test and go through their LF screen and hit the luckless & exposed MF Xb guy.

My opponent feeds a spare file of HF / MF into the combat to face my other file of Pk, and in melee I kill one of his bases.

Is he allowed to remove the single file of MF Xb, then slide the remaining file of HF/MF into the space, or must he remove the HF from the front of the HF/MF combo in contact ?

The position was as follows

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      MF      MF                                                                    MF MF                         MF
      HF MF HF              my opponent wanting it to go thus      HF HF    instead of        HF MF MF
          Pk  Pk                                                                    Pk Pk                               Pk  Pk
          Pk  Pk                                                                    Pk Pk                               Pk  Pk

It is very improtant that we get this rule right, as this was one of the 3 things that went right for me all bloody game !

My other block of superior Swiss Pike getting combined 1 hit in their initial impact & melee round against another mixed formation.

Cheers

Reread page 116 BASE REMOVAL.

You should be able to work out the following:

Your opponent could choose to remove the front rank MF base facing the pike, or the front rank HF base facing the pike .
In either case, he could replace it only with an MF base from the second rank.
He could not shift the complete HF/MF file across from overlap.

[hazelbark]

Hammy got the sequence perfectly.

[Scrumpy]

OK Hammy, that sounds right.

Any solution to the other problem of encouraging Swiss superiors to roll decent dice though ?

[hammy]

OK Hammy, that sounds right.

Any solution to the other problem of encouraging Swiss superiors to roll decent dice though ?

Alas no

I had the same problem with Dailami led by a general. They were + at impact, rerolling 1s and 2s. Six dice, 6,1,3,3,3,3 reroll -> 3. Their opponents got 2 hits and then rolled a 12 to kill the general

[lawrenceg]

OK Hammy, that sounds right.

Any solution to the other problem of encouraging Swiss superiors to roll decent dice though ?

Ensure that your opponent has the Swiss superiors, not you.