1/300th Roman ships in card and can be made in plastic

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:43 pm

I found this Roman ship site from a post at the Classical hack site:

http://www.erichotz.com/roman.html

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Classical-Hack/

Speedius ,Hondveg and JMD, and Possum etc. you may like this.

Magobarca

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:03 pm

Actually, I maybe should have put this thread elsewhere but I didn't, so I guess it's decimation for me!!

magobarca, or with a pseudonym like Magobarca maybe I'm due for a Punic crucifiction.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:31 am

Mago was one of Hannibal's three brothers, no?

Hasdrubal, Hanno, and Mago?

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:10 am

There is some evidence that points to 4 Barca brothers, with the 4th being a Hamilicar I do believe but could be wrong.

Mago was actually the most brilliant.

The world just doesn't know this.

Magobarca

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:17 am

Well, Hamilcar was Hannibal's father, but it's entirely possible there was a brother named Hamilcar as well.

As with so much about the Carthaginians, we just don't know. The Romans eradicated them too thoroughly.

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:27 am

Well Possum, I am not speaking of Hamilcar the father of Hannibal and his brothers. You will find that some historians now suspect that there may have been a 4th Braca brother named I believe it was Hamilcar after his father or another name. Wanna bet??

This has been suspected for a number of years.

We know quite a bit about the Carthaginians, not as much as we would like, but still quite a bit. The Romans themselbves recorded much about them.

Magobarca

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:52 am

Well Possum, I misread your post.

Yes for Hamilcar, but also this: Hasdrubal, not Hannibal's biologic brother, but the Hasdrubal that assumed command in Spain when Hamilcar Barcid died, was aparrently an adopted son of Hamilcar B. as well as becoming a brother-in-law of Hannibal, so if you include this Hasdrubal (maybe another Gisgo, but not sure because there was another Hasdrubal Gisgo later on in Spain) as a brother then there may have been 5 brothers: Hannibal, Hasdrubal, Mago, the possible Hamilcar, and the other Hasdrubal the adopted one.

I think I will change my monicer to Hasdrubalwho?? to confuse people.

There are quite a few surviving Carthaginian ruins and the destruction of Carthage may not have been quite as complete as is thought and described. Later on, Roman Carthage became the 2nd most important city in the Roman Republic/Early Empire.

It doesn't seem anyone is doing anything with LA as far as modding goes, I keep looking but no banannas, and I have stuff for Legion Gold and etc., and those games are good.

Chris

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:01 pm

http://home.tiscali.nl/meester7/engheavier.html
The biggest galley ever built

In the Hellenistic era (from 300 BC) some really gigantic warships were built. A normal Roman 'five' had 300 rowers and 120 soldiers on board, but the biggest ship of all, the 'forty' built by king Ptolemy IV (221-204 BC), had no less than 4000 rowers and room for 2850 soldiers and 400 sailors! The length was 130 m, the width 18 m. Perhaps it was inspired by Noah's Ark (and the lighthouse of Pharos on the Tower of Babel?); about this time a Greek translation of the Bible was made in Alexandria. It was probably a kind of catamaran with two hulls, like many modern ferries.

Prof. Morrison thinks that half of the rowers pulled the oars and the other half pushed against the oars. If the rowers sat (or stood) in three stories, with 6 or 7 men pulling and 6 or 7 men pushing each oar, it is just possible. In this way there would be 100 rows fore and aft and in total 12 or 14 rows across; that would fit within the dimensions. This is less unlikely than the reconstruction by L. Casson, who assumes that the rowers sat in two separate hulls with one enormous deck in between.

http://navis.terraromana.org/Forum.php5
Click on the pics at the bottom, and there are some other links down there.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/temetfutue/g ... ssaryR.htm
Artillery and missile ranges.

http://www.livius.org/home.html
More info. and links here.

http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/rowing/trireme/
The Olympias Trireme, a life-size reconstruction.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/trireme.htm

http://www.thalassa.gr/2002/to/en/i06.asp

http://www.thalassa.gr/2002/to/en/index.html

http://groups.msn.com/GreekSeamensClub/ ... llery.msnw

http://www.rodlangton.com/ancient/300scale.htm

http://wildfiregames.com/0ad/page.php?p=8835

http://tinyurl.com/ejl68
Google search page for Hellenistic Warships.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:08 am

magobarca wrote: It doesn't seem anyone is doing anything with LA as far as modding goes, I keep looking but no banannas, and I have stuff for Legion Gold and etc., and those games are good.

Chris

Actually, I am!

In fact, I'd be making a new campaign right now (instead of posting here) if it wasn't for an infuriating problem I'm having with saving scenarios

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:24 am

Hi Possum,

I saw your post in the other thread. I have not any idea what is wrong, and haven't attempted anything myself.

Magobarca

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:55 am

Ah, it's frustrating, bro.

I've got it all straight in my head, I'm eager to get on with it. Hell, I'm like in this white heat of creative frenzy...and I can't make the tools work...argh!

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:08 am

Hi Possum,

Yeah, I get like like that too, just put out a whole mass of work at once. I hope that you and Slitherine can determine what the problem is and correct it.

Since you mentioned your Brittanica Campaign I have done a little browsing on the subject, just a little though. I am really stuck in Republican times.

Take care, Magobarca (Chris)