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timmy1 wrote:James reading your quote 'Hmm, 32 years ago I had already formed one wargames club, was a member of anther club and had at least two Ancients and one WWII army as well as a load of Napoleonics figures. All of which apart from my plastic Ancient Britons I no longer have and I can't for the life of me remember what I ended up doing with them all.'

Me too, and I was less than a year forming my 2nd wargames club. I still have my plastics from that time, as well as my early Minifigs metal figures (other than my WotR English army that is over the pond with my little brother).
Good stuff :)

I didn't form another wargaming club :( The only one I formed was at school when I was in the second year but I believe it is still going now. The next club I formed was a live role playing one at university.
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The next club I formed was a live role playing one at university
Did this involving pretending to be of use to society?
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Someone please say that photos will be taken of this event and that some will be posted here. Please, oh please.
My plan is to video it as well as photos.

Si

PS 32 years ago. I had just started playing at Burnley Wargames Club with my friend Mark Bevis. 1/300th micro armour with tank battle in miniature russian front rules by Bruce Quarrie, and then the year after I discovered Samurai and started playing ancients.
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shall wrote:My plan is to video it as well as photos.

Si
Oh yes. I can see that one now...

"I've got a video for after dinner Love."
"Oh great. That's thoughtfullof you, what is it?"
"...err... me and the guys playing FOG last weekend... But my cavalry attack was awesome. Really. I'll talk you through it."

:D

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philqw78 wrote:

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Hammy said
32 years ago I had already formed one wargames club
You and Herbert Wells?
I had signed up for Wargames evening classes at the local adult education college (my headmaster had to give permission). That was Steve Reed finding an innovative way to get a club funded by the local council....
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shall wrote:
My plan is to video it as well as photos.

Si


Oh yes. I can see that one now...

"I've got a video for after dinner Love."
"Oh great. That's thoughtfullof you, what is it?"
"...err... me and the guys playing FOG last weekend... But my cavalry attack was awesome. Really. I'll talk you through it."

Steve P
Ok I'll have to drug her first.

Si
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OK have done a bit of digging and thinking and I really fancy doing Chalons-Sur-Marne 451AD. I think it will make an interesting game as it features the mobility of the Huns and Romans, several heavy foot masses of warriors and large quantities of cavalry.

I am going to scale the game up or down to the players who want to play. But let's start with the big plan and see if we can pull it off.

Here's the plan for a biiiig game:

Timing 12-6pm maximum

Table Size 20ft long. 6ft deep centre section to allow for the camps, 4ft deep side sections. Not too deep so that the battle gets off to a strong start.

Roman Team of 8 players
1 c-in-c
2 Roman
2 visigoth
2 franks/alans
1 goths

Hunnic Team of 7 players
1 c-in-c
2 huns
2 Gepids
2 Franks/Thuringians

Each player to provide their own figures. We will need a lot of LH for the Huns and a lot of HF warband types for both sides. No doubt a bit of locally beg and borrowing will be required.

Battle recreated to scale of 1 base per 250 roughly. A single contingent will be close to a 2 general singles army of about 600 pts. So about 4000 points a side at a guess!! If there are too few figures or players then I will scale it down to perhaps half this number. But wouldn't it be great to pack a table with masses of figures. To give a rough idea my first cut of the Foederati Roman army wolud have a totoal of 16 BG of 8 base of HF, Imp Ft Sw and around 20 BG of 4bases of various gothic cavalry!!. The Huns themselves 30BG of 4 LH as a swarm!!

Command and scenario

To make it more interesting ... Each side has a C-in-C who commands just a bodyguard BG and some messangers. The Romans have 4 messangers the Huns 2. The c-in-c is responsible for doing a deployment plan for his army and for giving initial orders to the players. This will put the major contingents into centre left or right flank areas. So the troops need not be set out as they were in the battle - its up to the team. During the game they can move their messengers backwards and forward to change order status of any player; or can use their own character to do so. So a different type of role for the c-in-c that I hope will be fun and challenging.

The order status will be very simple and players will be trusted to play in character. There will be 3 levels with the following general limitations:

Attack: at least 50% of BGs must go forward full towards enemy if physically possible.
Hold: no more than 50% of BGs can advance towards enemy, but may not withdraw from positions voluntarily.
Withdraw: at least 50% of BGs must attempt to disengage and move away from enemy.

I will act as umpire an adjudicate whether a generals plan is reasonable within their overall orders. It won't be too onerous and I will apply a bit of sensible judgement. It is there just to give the character of a big game and give a c-in-c role that is entertaining.

I will put the initial mega-sized army contingents together over the weekend and see if there are enough takers with enough figures. I'll put them up here. Could be a really fun way to start off the challenge weekend! :)

Thoughts?

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Two Roman contingents as follows:

A Sub General FC - - - - - - CinC 1
B Sub General FC - - - - - - - 1
E Fortified Camp CAMP - - - - - - - 1
1 Auxiliary Foot HF Superior Drilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
Supporting Psiloi LF Superior Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 2
2 Auxiliary Foot HF Superior Drilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
Supporting Psiloi LF Superior Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 2
3 Auxiliary Foot HF Superior Drilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
Supporting Psiloi LF Superior Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 2
4 Auxiliary Foot HF Average Drilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
Supporting Psiloi LF Average Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 2
5 Auxiliary Foot HF Average Drilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
Supporting Psiloi LF Average Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 2
6 Auxiliary Foot HF Average Drilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
Supporting Psiloi LF Average Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 2
7 Auxiliary Foot HF Average Drilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
Supporting Psiloi LF Average Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 2
8 Auxiliary Archers MF Average Drilled Unprotected Bow - - - 4
9 Equites Cv Superior Drilled Armoured - Light spear Swordmen - 4
10 Equites Illyricani LH Average Drilled Unprotected Javelins Light spear - - 4

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Roman Visigoth Command 1

A Sub General TC - - - - - - CinC 1
B Sub General TC - - - - - - - 1
1 Bucellarii Cv Superior Undrilled Armoured - Lancers Swordmen - 4
2 Bucellarii Cv Superior Undrilled Armoured - Lancers Swordmen - 4
2 Bucellarii Cv Superior Undrilled Armoured - Lancers Swordmen - 4
3 Gardingi Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
4 Gardingi Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
5 Gardingi Cv Average Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
6 Gardingi Cv Average Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
7 Gardingi Cv Average Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
8 Gardingi Cv Average Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4
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Roman Visigoth Command 2

A Sub General TC - - - - - - CinC 1
B Sub General TC - - - - - - - 1
1 Bucellarii Cv Superior Undrilled Armoured - Lancers Swordmen - 4
2 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
3 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
4 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
5 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
6 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
7 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
8 Archers MF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
9 Archers LF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
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Roman Goth Command

A Sub General TC - - - - - - CinC 1
B Sub General TC - - - - - - - 1
1 Armoured Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Armoured - Lancers Swordmen - 4
2 Armoured Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Armoured - Lancers Swordmen - 4
3 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Lancers Swordmen - 4
4 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Lancers Swordmen - 4
5 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Lancers Swordmen - 4
6 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Lancers Swordmen - 4
7 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Lancers Swordmen - 4
8 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Lancers Swordmen - 4
9 Archers MF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
10 Archers LF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
11 Archers MF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
12 Archers LF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
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Roman Frank Command

A Sub General TC - - - - - - CinC 1 35
B Sub General TC - - - - - - - 1 35
3 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8 7
3 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8 7
3 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8 7
3 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8 7
3 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8 7
11 Archers MF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8 5
12 Archers LF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8 5
6 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4 12
7 Cavalry Cv Superior Undrilled Protected - Light spear Swordmen - 4 12
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Roman Alan Germanic Command

A Sub General TC - - - - - - CinC 1
B Sub General TC - - - - - - - 1
1 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
2 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
3 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
4 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
5 Warriors HF Average Undrilled Protected - Impact foot Swordmen - 8
6 Archers MF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
7 Archers LF Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - - - 8
8 Alans LH Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
9 Alans LH Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
10 Alan Nobles LH Superior Undrilled Armoured - Lancers Swordmen - 4
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Post by shall »

All the above are first cut and any historical gurus are welcome to comment suggestions. But gives you a feel of what I have in mind. Having roughed out the Roman forces it totals almost erxactly 4000 points. Should give forces for some rear support - even on a 20ft wide table!! :)

So who is interested in playing and can sign up to brign the various contingents? First cut for Attila forces over the weekend, an we'll take it from there. If there are enough player great. If not I can shrink it to a 3 vs 4 or even 3 vs 3 format, but it would be fab to try stretching the system to such a large game IMHO. 8)

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With that many players you may find it takes some coordinating to keep all players in the same phase and avoid lengthy waits in quiet sectors while others sort out complicated combats. This might be particularly bad if some players aren't experienced. It might be an idea for the C-in-C to be an experienced player to give a hand to slower players.

As a last resort, you may have to impose time limits per phase (1 min. declare charges, 5 min. impact phase...etc) and when time is called you move on to the next phase leaving any unresolved movements or combats as they are (possibly excepting automatic break-offs).

Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it. All the low-cost flights are booked up...

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I am not sure what time I will be getting there but if I can make it in time and there is enough space in our car I can probably field four or five of these armies. I have lots of Romans, Huns and Franks.
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They will all be pretty experienced players I expect.

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drool.

Now just do it in 25mm.
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Post by shall »

OK have done Attilas side and we are just about 4000 pts a side. Should be fun if we can rustle up enoguh players. I can recude it to 2000pts a side for a 3 a side+ game if necessary on a smaller table.

For the C-in-C's I will provide the troops

Atilla will have 2 messangers who move as generals for order changes as well as a single BG of 4 Elite Arm Cv Bw Sw

Aetius will have 4 messangers and a single BG of 4 Sup Arm Cv Lt Sp Sw

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The huns ... 2 contingents as follows ...

A Sub General TC - - - - - - CinC 1
B Sub General TC - - - - - - - 1
E Fortified Camp CAMP - - - - - - - 1
1 Nobles Cv Superior Undrilled Armoured Bow - Swordmen - 4
3 Cavalry Cv Average Undrilled Protected Bow - Swordmen - 4
4 Cavalry Cv Average Undrilled Protected Bow - Swordmen - 4
5 Light Horse LH Superior Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
6 Light Horse LH Superior Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
7 Light Horse LH Superior Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
8 Light Horse LH Superior Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
9 Light Horse LH Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
10 Light Horse LH Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
11 Light Horse LH Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
12 Light Horse LH Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
13 Light Horse LH Average Undrilled Unprotected Bow - Swordmen - 4
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