1st List - Continental Scots

mcbeth · Post by **mcbeth** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:14 am

Hi Guys,

First real serious look at a list and I have been pondering the later Medieval Scots (Continental). I see that the Dismounted men-at-arms are 11 points each but only undrilled - should they be drilled? The army builder spreadsheet suggests that HF, hvy Armoued, undrilled, hvy weapon are only 9 points each?

Anyway if they are Undrilled then i would look at:

3x TC commanders

Men-at-arms 3BG each of 6 bases
Archers 3BG each of 8 bases
Archers 2BG each of 6 bases

1x Allied French General
Knights 2BG each of 4 bases
Crossbow 1BG of 6 bases

800 points

If the Hvy Foot are drilled I'd probably drop two of the BG down to four stands each...

Simon

BlackPrince · Post by **BlackPrince** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:13 am

I do not know about the men at arms being drilled or undrilled but I can help you with the spreadsheet problem.
To get the points to calculate correctly you need to select heavy weapon in the impact column. The guy said it is to with the hvy weapon being used in both the impact and melee phase. On the other hand it just be a French thing to put it in the impact column.

Keith

richnz · Post by **richnz** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:14 pm

Hi Simon, looks like a solid enough list.

I think this is great choice for a first army as it allows you to morph into 100YW and WotR English, Free Company and others very easily.

mcbeth · Post by **mcbeth** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:30 pm

BlackPrince wrote:I do not know about the men at arms being drilled or undrilled but I can help you with the spreadsheet problem.
To get the points to calculate correctly you need to select heavy weapon in the impact column. The guy said it is to with the hvy weapon being used in both the impact and melee phase. On the other hand it just be a French thing to put it in the impact column.

Keith

Thank you Keith, that solved it.

Some guys who play here have been looking at the list too. Their comment was:

Heavily armoured is the same as armoured in terms of generating a negative POA for the shooter and you’ll get a second POA against all protected and unprotected troops (on top of the +1 for being heavy weapon) in impact and melee. Being heavily armoured will get you an extra POA against other armoured heavy foot but there aren’t so many of them. Also worth remembering that as you’ve got heavy weapon, no one can claim the better armour POA against you.

So that may solve the extra points now for the MAA. I can keep them at 6 bases and drop them to Armoured saving the points that I just lost by getting the extra Heavy Weapon ability in Impact.

richnz · Post by **richnz** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:25 pm

Heavily armoured is the same as armoured in terms of generating a negative POA for the shooter and you’ll get a second POA against all protected and unprotected troops (on top of the +1 for being heavy weapon) in impact and melee. Being heavily armoured will get you an extra POA against other armoured heavy foot but there aren’t so many of them. Also worth remembering that as you’ve got heavy weapon, no one can claim the better armour POA against you.

Not entirely true. Longbows shoot at armoured troops without penalty, so you need to be heavily armoured to reduce longbow shooting.

Also, being heavily armoured will give you a POA against most other infantry. If you're fighting out of period then things like Roman legionaries will slice and dice armoured billmen and protected longbowmen. Having some heavily armoured billmen would mean you could fight then on even POAs in melee.

BlackPrince · Post by **BlackPrince** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:24 pm

Hi Simon.

From my first 6 games of FoG with my Free Company army;
Against other Medieval opponents armoured men at arms are fine.
Against those beastly Roman Legionaries if you want your men at arms to go head to head then they need to be heavily armoured.
If your are only armoured men at arms then you are -POA in both impact and melee phases. Whereas heavily armoured men at arms are -POA at impact and even in melee phases. So in my next game I am going to try and use my Knights against Roman Legionaries and keep the rest of my army away from the Legionaries.

Keith

mcbeth · Post by **mcbeth** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:41 pm

richnz wrote:
Heavily armoured is the same as armoured in terms of generating a negative POA for the shooter and you’ll get a second POA against all protected and unprotected troops (on top of the +1 for being heavy weapon) in impact and melee. Being heavily armoured will get you an extra POA against other armoured heavy foot but there aren’t so many of them. Also worth remembering that as you’ve got heavy weapon, no one can claim the better armour POA against you.
Not entirely true. Longbows shoot at armoured troops without penalty, so you need to be heavily armoured to reduce longbow shooting.

Also, being heavily armoured will give you a POA against most other infantry. If you're fighting out of period then things like Roman legionaries will slice and dice armoured billmen and protected longbowmen. Having some heavily armoured billmen would mean you could fight then on even POAs in melee.

ahhh, thanks Rich - Alex McEwen has just pointed out who you were

So I'll see you first round on Saturday for ValleyCon!.

So, with keeping them to heavily armoured, I would be ok dropping two of the BG down to 4 bases and keeping one at 6?

BTW what are the stats for the Roman infantry?

richnz · Post by **richnz** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:43 am

I think your list at the moment is solid. Sure, you might want to change things to 4s etc, but you can only get a feel for this by playing with them. Get them on the table and you'll soon see the tweaks you want to make.

Roman legions are typically superior armoured drilled impact foot skilled swordsmen. The impact foot gives them a + at impact, and the skilled swords negates your heavy weapon to give them a + in melee (against armoured). Plus they are superior = dead scots

My only other comment is that with all those undrilled average troops you might want an IC to help with command and control.