Do conforming troops have to align if it disorders them?

madmike111 · Post by **madmike111** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:37 am

Had a situation last night where my mounted charged a MF in the open at a slight angle. At impact both units were in the open however come movement phase I had to align my bases with the MF bases. This shifted my BG so that some bases now rested in rough terrain.

I couldn't see anything in the rules that allowed me to not elect to not conform so come melee my mounted are disordered.

Yes this correct?

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:59 am

Only the stands in the bad going are Disordered, not the whole unit.. I believe

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:02 am

The key wording is "MUST conform", so yes, even if it causes some of your troops to be disordered.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:24 am

Andy1972 wrote:Only the stands in the bad going are Disordered, not the whole unit.. I believe

correct

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:39 am

Which can lead to some "geometric ploys" being used around terrain - especially if you can tempt shock troops into an undeclared charge and in the Movement phase they have to conform into disordering terrain ...

In addition to discouraging declared charges for the same reason of course.

I am more and more of the view that the requirement to conform should have been left out and you just play with the bases where they are.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:48 am

But generally when conforming into disordering terrain only one base will end up in there, so the BG will not lose any dice unless Knights in difficult.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:51 am

I've seen cases with more - can affect expansions into overlap as well, the effect need not be immediate

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:56 am

nikgaukroger wrote:
I am more and more of the view that the requirement to conform should have been left out and you just play with the bases where they are.

Some of us have been of that opinion since beta testing days. However, the authors have made it clear that hell will freeze over before they eliminate conforming.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:50 pm

lawrenceg wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:
I am more and more of the view that the requirement to conform should have been left out and you just play with the bases where they are.
Some of us have been of that opinion since beta testing days. However, the authors have made it clear that hell will freeze over before they eliminate conforming.

Hell, Minnesota is -42 before windchill right now. So there is hope.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:47 pm

hazelbark wrote:
lawrenceg wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:
I am more and more of the view that the requirement to conform should have been left out and you just play with the bases where they are.
Some of us have been of that opinion since beta testing days. However, the authors have made it clear that hell will freeze over before they eliminate conforming.
Hell, Minnesota is -42 before windchill right now. So there is hope.

Oooh, Hazelbark, that hurts to think about. It got down to 45 or so here last night, but we're expecting a high of 82-85 today. San Diego is having one of those weird intervals when Summer comes to Winter.

Ghaznavid · Post by **Ghaznavid** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:20 pm

lawrenceg wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:
I am more and more of the view that the requirement to conform should have been left out and you just play with the bases where they are.
Some of us have been of that opinion since beta testing days. However, the authors have made it clear that hell will freeze over before they eliminate conforming.

Well no conforming can have rather unpleasent side effects too. I had a game only recently where neither mine nor my opponents troops could conform, which effectively prevented me from expanding and overlapping him. Without conforming about every attack that hits a corner would have that effect. Not really desirable and much easier to abuse then conforming.