PanzerKrieg - Voronezh campaign

[GeneralKostas]

Hello to everyone!!

I am new in Order of Battle WWII game, but a great fun of turn-based strategy games. I have started play the campaign in Panzerkrieg and i see that it is quite difficult even in lvl 2.

I tried the Voronezh campaign twice, but i failed. I think 32 rounds aren't enough to finish it. The Soviets counterattacks are often and i spend many turns to clear the field before the advance towards Voronezh.

Is anyone experienced player who like to give me an advice about how to finish this campaign? What kind of plan should follow to win?

[hrafnkolbrandr]

Get some of the 8-range artillery and deploy them in teams. Don't attack anything you haven't softened up yet, and don't worry too much about finishing off enemy units. Better to not overextend; you'll be able to finish off the weakened units eventually. In the meantime, they will clog roads and take up space in front of the Soviet counterattacks.

Here is what my artillery deployment looked like by the end of the campaign (I had to rush everything over once I realized what was happening. In hindsight, it might have been overkill);

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 64&t=81652

[GabeKnight]

Try these:
Panzerkrieg-Onto the Plains of Russia! (Review and Discuss)
Panzerkrieg let's play (replay style)

[PoorOldSpike]

..I tried the Voronezh campaign twice, but i failed.
Is anyone experienced player who like to give me an advice about how to finish this campaign?

Do you mean you played Voronezh inside the long Panzerkrieg campaign?
Or did you play the individual Voronezh scenario outside the campaign?
I played the individual scenario (below) outside at level 3 and won, the yellow dots are the Primary objectives and the blue arrows are the routes of my two panzergruppes.
"When armoured formations are out on the loose they must be given the green light to the end of the road"- Gen. Heinz Guderian

You get 2800 points to buy units and 24 points per turn; that's enough to rule the world..
What did you buy?



PS- you get 12 free assorted pre-deployed units at the start.
I purchased-
6 x Pz IVF2 (best tank in the scen, they're expensive but if you buy junk you flunk)
4 x Sturmpanzer 1 (self-propelled 150mm arty, you don't want to waste time towing guns around)
2 x Heavy inf in halftracks (tough but slow movers so you need the transport)
2 x Engineers in halftracks (eliminate sandbags and toast the enemy, slow and need the transport)
3 x Fw 190 (best fighter, the Red Air Force better not mess with them)
2 x Stukas (great for pinpoint attacks. Later when you've got air supremacy swap 2 Fw 190's for 2 more Stukas to help finish off the Russkis)
1 x Arado recon (eye in the sky)

Russians in Voronezh-
"Hey comrades, I think I hear tank engines!"


Pz III in Voronezh-
"You better believe it Ivan!"

[GeneralKostas]

..I tried the Voronezh campaign twice, but i failed.
Is anyone experienced player who like to give me an advice about how to finish this campaign?

Do you mean you played Voronezh inside the long Panzerkrieg campaign?
Or did you play the individual Voronezh scenario outside the campaign?
I played the individual scenario (below) outside at level 3 and won, the yellow dots are the Primary objectives and the blue arrows are the routes of my two panzergruppes.
"When armoured formations are out on the loose they must be given the green light to the end of the road"- Gen. Heinz Guderian

You get 2800 points to buy units and 24 points per turn; that's enough to rule the world..
What did you buy?

PS- you get 12 free assorted pre-deployed units at the start.
I purchased-
6 x Pz IVF2 (best tank in the scen, they're expensive but if you buy junk you flunk)
4 x Sturmpanzer 1 (self-propelled 150mm arty, you don't want to waste time towing guns around)
2 x Heavy inf in halftracks (tough but slow movers so you need the transport)
2 x Engineers in halftracks (eliminate sandbags and toast the enemy, slow and need the transport)
3 x Fw 190 (best fighter, the Red Air Force better not mess with them)
2 x Stukas (great for pinpoint attacks. Later when you've got air supremacy swap 2 Fw 190's for 2 more Stukas to help finish off the Russkis)
1 x Arado recon (eye in the sky)

Hello. I have played Voronezh inside the campaign. I tried to follow your strategic plan, but the Soviet attacks in north and south need many turns to wipe out and clear the field. Finally i have captured the first two cities, but i was in 23rd turn and i haven't many units to support the advance. I reached at the Don river before Voronezh and more Soviet units made their appearance on the map.
I think that the key for victory is to push forward the units avoiding pointless battles.

[PoorOldSpike]

...I have played Voronezh inside the campaign..

Ah, that's your mistake!
Newcomers should NEVER play the Campaigns first because they're much more complicated than scenarios because your "core force" carries over into the next game in the campaign and you have to be careful what you can or cannot buy.
Also, campaigns contain 'Specialisations' like in the screenshot below, which have to be learnt because they have a very great effect on gameplay, but scens contain NO Specialisations, so because scens are simpler to play it's far better to play them first to learn the game, then only play campaigns later. (In fact I PREFER playing scens, I rarely play campaigns).



Hey, now play the Voronezh scen OUTSIDE the campaign and tell us how you get on, I'm sure you'll probably win if you buy forces the same as mine and use difficulty level 3 like I did, but if you don't win we can discuss which tactics you used.
And remember, although OOB's AI is better than many other wargames, you're still only playing against the AI, not against dangerous human players!
Tip- just attack the Russian units that are blocking your path to the objectives, don't waste time getting sidetracked into fighting unnecessary battles that are not on your narrow corridors of advance.
"The greatest warrior is the one who never has to fight a battle"- Gen. Sun Tzu, 600 BC

Pz III, 11th Pz Div, Volokolamsk, Russia 1941

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php? ... orum&f=134

[GeneralKostas]

...I have played Voronezh inside the campaign..

Ah, that's your mistake!
Newcomers should NEVER play the Campaigns first because they're much more complicated than scenarios because your "core force" carries over into the next game in the campaign and you have to be careful what you can or cannot buy.
Also, campaigns contain 'Specialisations' like in the screenshot below, which have to be learnt because they have a very great effect on gameplay, but scens contain NO Specialisations, so because scens are simpler to play it's far better to play them first to learn the game, then only play campaigns later. (In fact I PREFER playing scens, I rarely play campaigns).

Hey, now play the Voronezh scen OUTSIDE the campaign and tell us how you get on, I'm sure you'll probably win if you buy forces the same as mine and use difficulty level 3 like I did, but if you don't win we can discuss which tactics you used.
And remember, although OOB's AI is better than many other wargames, you're still only playing against the AI, not against dangerous human players!
Tip- just attack the Russian units that are blocking your path to the objectives, don't waste time getting sidetracked into fighting unnecessary battles that are not on your narrow corridors of advance.

I have played some scenarios in the free game before buy the DLC about Panzerkrieg. I am familiar enough with the gameplay and I play two multiplayer battles as well. In this game i like the AI. It is different every time i play a battle.
I know about Specializations. It is important before any campaign.
I am going to try your strategic plan and i hope to win.
Thanks a lot for your help

[CoolDTA]

Ah, that's your mistake!
Newcomers should NEVER play the Campaigns first because they're much more complicated than scenarios because your "core force" carries over into the next game in the campaign and you have to be careful what you can or cannot buy.

I wouldn't call it a mistake. IMO the campaigns are the best thing in OoB. If there were only single battles I would have skipped the game completely. Playing the Boot Camp makes you ready for the DLC -campaigns. Notwithstanding, it is good you like the single scenarios so we get info from that perspective.

GeneralKostas: I suggest you go and see how Paradogs Gamer played this scenario in his campaign. His videos are well done and you probably get some useful tips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbyHkT3 ... o&index=21

[GeneralKostas]

Ah, that's your mistake!
Newcomers should NEVER play the Campaigns first because they're much more complicated than scenarios because your "core force" carries over into the next game in the campaign and you have to be careful what you can or cannot buy.

I wouldn't call it a mistake. IMO the campaigns are the best thing in OoB. If there were only single battles I would have skipped the game completely. Playing the Boot Camp makes you ready for the DLC -campaigns. Notwithstanding, it is good you like the single scenarios so we get info from that perspective.

GeneralKostas: I suggest you go and see how Paradogs Gamer played this scenario in his campaign. His videos are well done and you probably get some useful tips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbyHkT3 ... o&index=21

Hello again. I noticed that Paradogs Gamer had 200 more Command Points at the start of the scenario than me. I purchased some new with my 465 Command Points, but they aren't enough. Nevertheless, i reached Voronezh once in the last turn. I failed again and again. It is difficult scenario and a difficult campaign in total for me.

[Andy2012]

@GeneralKostas: We can help. Just tell us what you are doing; the more the better. I can post a replay, but I guess you may want to figure things out for yourself. Dont worry, this is winnable.

[GeneralKostas]

Yes. I don't like to follow a replay. I design my own strategy in my mind, but i have noticed, that every time the Soviets (AI) respond different to my movements. And the plan i have for the advance fail.
I passed Rzef Salient in third time, Demyansk and Charkov at once, Sevastopol with second time. I know it is a winnable scenario. I must find a gap in AI.