Kharkov 1943 "Krasnograd Held" trigger error

[rafdobrowolski]

Hey all, I have now played this battle four times, and for some reason each time I end it, I get a defeat. It tells me that I was unable to hold Krasnograd, even though it is within my lines of control, and not occupied by any Soviet units. As to the secondary objectives, I am able to eliminate the SU-122's in five turns, and capture all of the secondary VP's within 28 turns. Any help???? I am playing it on the easiest setting right now, just to get a feel for the game.

[bru888]

That's because you have uncovered a bug and we thank you for reporting it! Nice going.

Here's the trouble. The logic is supposed to be at any time in the scenario, if the Soviets take Krasnograd, they win and scenario over! That's the Krasnograd LOST trigger. However, as this Krasnograd HELD trigger is supposed to make happen, if the Germans still own Krasnograd (the Check Hex Owner condition) on Turn 20, indicate that the objective of Hold Krasnograd has been completed.

The issue is the trigger event. Whenever a Check Turn condition is used, the trigger event needs to be Turn Start. You can see that it is set for Capture VP instead. So, for this trigger to be activated the way it is now, a VP needs to have just been captured. Either the Germans need to have captured some other VP or the Soviets need to have captured Krasnograd or someplace else. Either way, it's not that the Germans continue to hold Krasnograd, which is the point of the trigger.

The trigger event needs to be Turn Start:

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I am moving this thread to Tech Support. I also changed the subject to be more descriptive. By the way, in case you are wondering, sometimes bugs surface after beta when changes are made to scenarios to address other issues that arise in the meantime.

[bebro]

Bru is right - this gets changed.

[CoolDTA]

Bru, glad to see you were not banned. I took the last secondary needed (fifth) on turn 20 and won the battle. From what you told that is exactly what needs to be done to avoid the trigger error, right? No, it was not dumb luck but careful tactics.

[bru888]

Bru, glad to see you were not banned. I took the last secondary needed (fifth) on turn 20 and won the battle. From what you told that is exactly what needs to be done to avoid the trigger error, right? No, it was not dumb luck but careful tactics.

Yep, you were the exception that proves the rule! That is, if you as the German player were lucky or skilled enough to take some other VP on or after Turn 20 and you were still in Krasnograd, that would activate this trigger but you should not need to do so because all you are being asked to do is to hold Krasnograd.

[CoolDTA]

Well, I was just lucky. This kind of a bug is probably quite hard to catch in the beta test.

[robertahyuk]

I hope a quick fix is ready soon as I'm about to enter that scenario! I'll wait till I see something here before proceeding. Glad I saw this. Maybe I can get all the secondary objectives also but a fix would be nice. Thanks guys!

[rafdobrowolski]

That's because you have uncovered a bug and we thank you for reporting it! Nice going.

Here's the trouble. The logic is supposed to be at any time in the scenario, if the Soviets take Krasnograd, they win and scenario over! That's the Krasnograd LOST trigger. However, as this Krasnograd HELD trigger is supposed to make happen, if the Germans still own Krasnograd (the Check Hex Owner condition) on Turn 20, indicate that the objective of Hold Krasnograd has been completed.

The issue is the trigger event. Whenever a Check Turn condition is used, the trigger event needs to be Turn Start. You can see that it is set for Capture VP instead. So, for this trigger to be activated the way it is now, a VP needs to have just been captured. Either the Germans need to have captured some other VP or the Soviets need to have captured Krasnograd or someplace else. Either way, it's not that the Germans continue to hold Krasnograd, which is the point of the trigger.

The trigger event needs to be Turn Start:

Screenshot 1.jpg

I am moving this thread to Tech Support. I also changed the subject to be more descriptive. By the way, in case you are wondering, sometimes bugs surface after beta when changes are made to scenarios to address other issues that arise in the meantime.

Thanks for the explanation. So basically if i am understanding correctly, i have to take a secondary VP after turn 20 to trigger a German victory? Also will this bug be fixed in an update soon?

[bru888]

What I have noticed in my time here is that although the developers do not comment very often in bug threads like this one, they do take notice and a fix appears in a future patch.

[Sir Killex]

I have recently purchased this DLC through Steam and it is still infected with this "bug".

[bebro]

A fix was made a while ago, but after the most recent patch - so it should be fine in the next update.

[GabeKnight]

A fix was made a while ago, but after the most recent patch - so it should be fine in the next update.

Any news when to expect the release of said update?

[bebro]

It's not in my hands so I can't answer that.

[Sir Killex]

I have just finished an email conversation with a gentleman from Slitherine about this bug and pointed out that it is in the 64bit version of the scenario. I also referenced this forum page to him as well. His response was:

Thanks for providing this. We will be fixing this in the next patch, which will be going into Beta shortly

Kind Regards,

Joe Miller
The Slitherine Group