"240 BC Grand Campaign"

[Lysimachos]

Following a suggestion of Aryaman, I think that we could finally close the question between 76mm and Varity implementing the rule that:
- when the two commanders agree to a draw,
- or if there has been no close combat in the first 6 turns and the attackers calls off his attack,
the attacking nation will earn 30t for ravaging the country.

In order to avoid additional quarrels whether the defender sacrifices only 1 or 2 units in order to stop the aforementioned rule having effect, and also to speed up matches, I would also say that battles must be set up with a limit of 14 turns, having as winner who, at the end, has got an advantage of at least 5% over his opponent (for example 42% vs 31% but also 8% vs 3%), otherwise the battle will be considered a draw.

[devoncop]

That is an innovative and eminently sensible amendment.

Thanks to all involved.

[devoncop]

After a gallant resistance to the imposition of benevolent Ptolemaic rule, AUG province has fallen to Ptolemys forces 40% to 15%.....

My commiserations to 76mm for having to fight with the Libyans.

[76mm]

Following a suggestion of Aryaman, I think that we could finally close the question between 76mm and Varity implementing the rule that:
- when the two commanders agree to a draw,
- or if there has been no close combat in the first 6 turns and the attackers calls off his attack,
the attacking nation will earn 30t for ravaging the country.

This sounds like a good rule, although I sure wish it would have been in place before my game! In the current game I decided to try to win instead of sitting around waiting for the game to time out, and it has been a complete disaster.

My understanding is that currently for a win/loss you need to win in the battle, right? 40+25 or 60?

Also, does it really make sense that Aetolia is wooded? This is central Greece, not Gaul, and armies were waging war here for centuries, and while I don't claim to be an expert, I don't recall reading about the vast tracts of forests in Central Greece.

[Varity]

Following a suggestion of Aryaman, I think that we could finally close the question between 76mm and Varity implementing the rule that:
- when the two commanders agree to a draw,
- or if there has been no close combat in the first 6 turns and the attackers calls off his attack,
the attacking nation will earn 30t for ravaging the country.

This sounds like a good rule, although I sure wish it would have been in place before my game! In the current game I decided to try to win instead of sitting around waiting for the game to time out, and it has been a complete disaster.

My understanding is that currently for a win/loss you need to win in the battle, right? 40+25 or 60?

Also, does it really make sense that Aetolia is wooded? This is central Greece, not Gaul, and armies were waging war here for centuries, and while I don't claim to be an expert, I don't recall reading about the vast tracts of forests in Central Greece.

Unless some miracle happens, this should be over now.

Aetolia rejoyces!

[76mm]

Yes, I lost in the woods. Now that the rules have changed I won't have to try that silliness again.

Meanwhile, two new attacks:
Macedonia attacks Messenia from Attica
Macedonia sponsors independent attack on Bastetania from Baetica

Please tell me the opponents and I'll set up the matches and post passwords.

[Trogilus]

Also, does it really make sense that Aetolia is wooded? This is central Greece, not Gaul, and armies were waging war here for centuries, and while I don't claim to be an expert, I don't recall reading about the vast tracts of forests in Central Greece.

Terrain is abstracted at both the campaign and the game level. If you don't like the terrain in a province, don't invade it. No matter what you decide, the terrain will favor your opponent about half of the time.

[vakarr]

When you do change the rules I was wondering if there could be some way that it would be possible to incorporate the troops from newly acquired provinces (such as lancers and cataphracts) into my army list. In my case, this would mean that if I conquered Armenia, I could use the version of my army list that has cataphracts in it, and if I conquered the Crimea, use the Pontic list that has lancers in it. Another way would be perhaps, if you are attacking out of a conquered province, you can use the army list from that province or another conquered one further province away if you prefer. So if by some miracle I was able to conquer Galatia then I could use the Galatian list when attacking Armenia. How does that sound?

News update: invasion of Galatia going badly, charged a general with a pike unit into the flank of protected cavalry that was already engaged to its flank and front: nothing happened, except that the general was killed next turn during the melee (when at last the cavalry routed)!

The battle with the Bactrians continues to see-saw but the losses are approaching 60%

The Parthian battle with the Atropane army seems to be going against the Parthians as they have not been able to overcome the initial advantage gained by the Atropanes, though the Atropane right flank has been demolished.

The battle with the Seleucids has begun, on a battlefield confined on the left by a lake or sea. Both sides have their phalanxes running towards the hills between the armies while there is an open flank where large bodies of cavalry are about to engage.

[76mm]

...I was wondering if there could be some way that it would be possible to incorporate the troops from newly acquired provinces (such as lancers and cataphracts) into my army list. In my case, this would mean that if I conquered Armenia, I could use the version of my army list that has cataphracts in it, and if I conquered the Crimea, use the Pontic list that has lancers in it.

I don't feel very strongly about this, although it does seem to favor armies with multiple lists. No big deal I guess, but it does seem like once you choose that new list, it should be permanent, unless/until you conquer a province with another list for your army. I do think that the Pontics could use some love in this campaign, maybe this would help.

Another way would be perhaps, if you are attacking out of a conquered province, you can use the army list from that province or another conquered one further province away if you prefer. So if by some miracle I was able to conquer Galatia then I could use the Galatian list when attacking Armenia. How does that sound?

Interesting idea, although I would limit it to the specific province you are attacking from.

[devoncop]

[quote="vakarr"]When you do change the rules I was wondering if there could be some way that it would be possible to incorporate the troops from newly acquired provinces (such as lancers and cataphracts) into my army list. In my case, this would mean that if I conquered Armenia, I could use the version of my army list that has cataphracts in it, and if I conquered the Crimea, use the Pontic list that has lancers in it. Another way would be perhaps, if you are attacking out of a conquered province, you can use the army list from that province or another conquered one further province away if you prefer. So if by some miracle I was able to conquer Galatia then I could use the Galatian list when attacking Armenia. How does that sound?

The FOG2 system does not allow extra troops to be added to a core roster so that wouldn't be workable. Nice idea as long as it would only be 10% or so of your core list but can't be done at present.

[vakarr]

the carnage in the Middle eastern Hills

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The brave defenders of the Steppe and the Middle Eastern Hills have thrown back the imperialist dogs that invaded their fair lands -victory was conceded by Bactria and Parthia after a long and well fought struggle, which in Bactria's case was going well until a remarkable multiple charge, follow up, and pursuit wiped out a lot of his troops in one turn. Thanks for two great games, guys, sorry you didn't get your provinces!

Closeup of the massive fight in the centre between the rabble of both armies

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Parthia is in red, the Parthian thureophori, though slightly better than the Atropene hillmen, were undrilled foot. Parthian cataphracts are standing around trying to find a target or at least a turntable so they can turn fast enough to charge one!

[devoncop]

Always good to see rivals checked

[devoncop]

To complete the defensive buffer zone on Ptolemy's western border the victorious Army in Aug will move into province Crn........May the Gods smile upon us again.......

Please advise who will be conducting the defence.....

[ulysisgrunt]

If you need an additional player, kindly think of me!
Ulysisgrunt

[shadowblack]

The Bactrians reluctantly concede defeat to the cowardly Saka riding around on their horses like frightened children. Their inability to stand and fight like men limit the glory to be gained against them. For now we shall leave them in peace but we shall return once we have gathered enough chickens to sacrifice to the gods and ensure our inevitable ultimate victory.

[shadowblack]

To facilitate our new campaign against the mountain tribes of Gandara we are going to construct a road network.

Attack Gandara.

[Lysimachos]

If you need an additional player, kindly think of me!
Ulysisgrunt

Of course mate!
In the meanwhile, if you like - as we did with 76mm before he took over the Macedonian Kingdom from mcheodaidh - you could command in turn the defending armies of the independent provinces under attack in order to get accustomed to the rules ...

[Lysimachos]

To complete the defensive buffer zone on Ptolemy's western border the victorious Army in Aug will move into province Crn........May the Gods smile upon us again.......

Please advise who will be conducting the defence.....

This time the task of leading the defending army falls to Ironclad.

[Lysimachos]

Also, does it really make sense that Aetolia is wooded? This is central Greece, not Gaul, and armies were waging war here for centuries, and while I don't claim to be an expert, I don't recall reading about the vast tracts of forests in Central Greece.

From wikipedia:
Aetolia (Greek: Αἰτωλία) is a mountainous region of Greece on the north coast of the Gulf of Corinth, forming the eastern part of the modern regional unit of Aetolia-Acarnania.
...
In classical times Aetolia comprised two parts: Old Aetolia in the west, from the Achelous to the Evenus and Calydon; and New Aetolia or Acquired Aetolia (Αἰτωλία Ἐπίκτητος) in the east, from the Evenus and Calydon to the Ozolian Locrians. The country has a level and fruitful coastal region, but an unproductive and mountainous interior. The mountains contained many wild beasts, and acquired fame in Greek mythology as the scene of the hunt for the Calydonian Boar.

[devoncop]

To complete the defensive buffer zone on Ptolemy's western border the victorious Army in Aug will move into province Crn........May the Gods smile upon us again.......

Please advise who will be conducting the defence.....

This time the task of leading the defending army falls to Ironclad, given that devoncop is the attacker.

Challenge created for Ironclad
Password : desert

Ptolemaic forces advance on the Libyan horde.........