Sevastopol - Buggy Victory Conditions

[kverdon]

Well another OOB release and another round of incompletely tested buggy scenarios. At least you are consistent. I just completed Sevastopol but failed 2 or the secondary victory conditions due to reasons I can't explain.

1. Thor takes less than 3 damage - Thor only took 1 damage ending with a value of 9. Still marked as not complete (X).
2. Keep 5 Romanian units alive - I lost Zero (0) Romanian units but this is still marked as incomplete (X).

Is it REALLY too much to ask that these scenarios are tested before release? I don't know what they negative effects of these failing are. If I loose the Romanians well I guess I'll just use the cheat codes to bring the rest of my core onboard. The 2 SP are probably not a loss as they don't tend to be of much use anyways. It would be good however ever if you could fix these 2 issues.

[kondi754]

Don't be upset, I suppose other errors reported during tests were more serious and had priority. Soon there will be a patch that will fix it.

[Erik2]

Note that a missing green checkmark does not neccesarily mean that the objective is not met.
If you got the red cross failed objective, that would surely indicate a bug.

But I agree, the green checkmark should be activated.

And, a lot of issues were reported (and fixed) during beta. Believe me...
Unfortunately, the beta period for Panzerkrieg was a bit shorter than usual.
Maybe to make the campaign available before Christmas.

The new faster 64bit version will allow you to load large maps that would previously fail.
But it also caused new problems that are on top of the priority fix list.
I'm confident we'll see a couple of smaller (auto-update?) patches fixing any issues reported after launch.

Note that I'm not affiliated with Slitherine.
These are my own, personal comments.

[bebro]

Thanks for reporting - indeed some conditions checked by the game at the very end of a scn could be still ok without a green marker, but we'll check this one to be sure if it's a prob or not.

[kondi754]

Well another OOB release and another round of incompletely tested buggy scenarios. At least you are consistent. I just completed Sevastopol but failed 2 or the secondary victory conditions due to reasons I can't explain.

1. Thor takes less than 3 damage - Thor only took 1 damage ending with a value of 9. Still marked as not complete (X).
2. Keep 5 Romanian units alive - I lost Zero (0) Romanian units but this is still marked as incomplete (X).

Is it REALLY too much to ask that these scenarios are tested before release? I don't know what they negative effects of these failing are. If I loose the Romanians well I guess I'll just use the cheat codes to bring the rest of my core onboard. The 2 SP are probably not a loss as they don't tend to be of much use anyways. It would be good however ever if you could fix these 2 issues.

If you received 7 spec points after Sevastopol, it is only green marker issue.
If you get 5, it is an objective's trigger problem. (I vote for this option)

[Andy2012]

Well another OOB release and another round of incompletely tested buggy scenarios. At least you are consistent. I just completed Sevastopol but failed 2 or the secondary victory conditions due to reasons I can't explain.

1. Thor takes less than 3 damage - Thor only took 1 damage ending with a value of 9. Still marked as not complete (X).
2. Keep 5 Romanian units alive - I lost Zero (0) Romanian units but this is still marked as incomplete (X).

Is it REALLY too much to ask that these scenarios are tested before release? I don't know what they negative effects of these failing are. If I loose the Romanians well I guess I'll just use the cheat codes to bring the rest of my core onboard. The 2 SP are probably not a loss as they don't tend to be of much use anyways. It would be good however ever if you could fix these 2 issues.

It was a tight and difficult beta and a lot of issues were resolved. Some things always fall through the cracks as in any major operation. This is a small team supplying a niche market. So there is no reason to be that passive-aggressive. Keep your cool and enjoy a very good DLC.

[kverdon]

Kondi is correct, it is not a marker issue. I only received 5 Spec points. I am assuming that the Romanian Secondary is failed as well. I may have to load up the scenario in the editor to see what I lost with that one.

[bru888]

@bebro: The triggers themselves seem correct. However, there is a bit of theory involved, perhaps, which only you and adherbal can comment upon.

Say both PRIMARY objectives are set to triggers with "sudden" events, like Combat Event and Capture VP Event. This is the case with the two primary objectives in Sevastopol. When the second of those is triggered as completed, the scenario ends, does it not? Does it end right then and there or is that the start of another turn?

Because, if the scenario ends suddenly with a victory, albeit a minor victory because SECONDARY objectives are not all achieved yet, it could be there is no further Turn Start at the Scenario Turn Limit. For both of these Thor and Rom WIN triggers, that is the set up and I am wondering whether this is the explanation of why they are not firing when the scenario ends:

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Based on this, I am transferring this thread to Tech Support, leaving a mirror copy in the general forum.

[bru888]

To kverdon's point - a bit harshly stated; we in beta tried very hard but these scenarios are very complicated - his concern is correct in that the successful firing of these triggers is important to later campaign play:

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So there ought to be resolution to this issue. Again, I am wondering whether it is looking for a Turn Start and not finding it when the scenario ends on a Combat Event or Capture VP Event.

[kgambit]

FWIW, if you wait to seize the final VP (Sevastopol) until the last turn, the Rumanian and Thor secondary victory conditions are marked as completed (green checks) and at least the extra spec pts are awarded. Not sure about the Rumanian army as I just finished the scenario.

[bru888]

FWIW, if you wait to seize the final VP (Sevastopol) until the last turn, the Rumanian and Thor secondary victory conditions are marked as completed (green checks) and at least the extra spec pts are awarded. Not sure about the Rumanian army as I just finished the scenario.

That would support my theory, I believe.

[kverdon]

I checked the scenario and both events were set to trigger on turn 1. I believe that is why they were not triggering. As a test I replayed the scenario with the value changed from 1 to 3 and they both triggered.

[Snake97644]

I also had problems with Sevastopol, but for me I did not get the Luftwaffe commander after the three kills and sinking the cruiser. This occurred in both the pre 5.2.2 update, and just now when I tried in the post 5.2.2. I had to pause playing, because I hate losing out on a leader.

[calmhatchery]

It is strange because I got the Leader !! after detroying the three artillery units

[Snake97644]

I received the ground leader after destroying in the Maxim Gorky, but the other condition is to destroy 3 aircraft and one cruiser to gain a "new air commander". I fulfilled the objective and it is check green, yet the commander has not shown up. Has anyone else had this issue?

[13obo]

My guess would be you already have the same air commander from previous reward (perhaps the Blitzkrieg one?).

Anyway, I'm no modder and haven't played the mission, but this was happening in Blitzkrieg in the Greek scenario where you didn't get the Air Ace if you had already gotten him during the Warsaw mission. It's not a bug.

Someone should confirm that though.

[CoolDTA]

I received the ground leader after destroying in the Maxim Gorky, but the other condition is to destroy 3 aircraft and one cruiser to gain a "new air commander". I fulfilled the objective and it is check green, yet the commander has not shown up. Has anyone else had this issue?

I had that, too. It is a bug and from what I've been told, will be fixed in the next patch.

[WarHomer]

Same problem here with both the ace and the secondaries.

[kondi754]

I confirm, if we wait until the last turn with the occupation of Sevastopol, all the objectives are marked in green. However, I also didn't get an air commander.