Cohesion Testing if losing vs Lancers

stenic · Post by **stenic** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:23 pm

I'm sure this has been anserred before but I can't find the thread.

If the lancers do not get their lance POA (ie vs steady spear in impact), do opponents still count the -1 on the CT test for losing vs lancers ?

Thanks,

Steve

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:44 pm

Yes.

If you lose to lancers whatever the situation you have lost to lancers. Just because the lancers don't get a POA it doesn't mean they don't have the long spears or the attitude.

stenic · Post by **stenic** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:55 pm

Hammy you are a star to respond so quick. Thanks.

I'd though so but want to verify before I pontificated with authority

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:17 pm

before I pontificated with authority

But you have to temper that with the fact that it's Hammy's authority

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:30 am

What's interesting is everybody that loses to lancers suffers the penalty, even other lancers.

daleivan · Post by **daleivan** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:52 am

gozerius wrote:What's interesting is everybody that loses to lancers suffers the penalty, even other lancers.

Agreed--that's very important to keep in mind

Dale

bobm · Post by **bobm** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:59 am

Have you lost to lancers if they are a flanking/rear unit rather than the enemy to your front? If so do they have to cause at least one of the hits?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:06 am

bobm wrote:Have you lost to lancers if they are an overlapping unit rather than to your front? If so do they have to cause at least one of the hits?

As overlaps only count in melee and lancer only counts at impact this is moot. However if a BG of MF is fighting enemy foot frontally but mounted as an overlap then they would take the -1 for MF fighting mounted.

The lancers don't have to inflict any hits to mean that a BG was fighting them but obviously the other non lancers would have to inflict a fair number of hits to cause a test if the lancers all miss.

bobm · Post by **bobm** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:25 am

Thanks...I used overlap when I meant flanking, I edited the question but too late!!

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:50 am

bobm wrote:Thanks...I used overlap when I meant flanking, I edited the question but too late!!

Ahh, serves me right for answering too quickly

If the lancers hit you in the flank then they are still lancers but in this case they are a lot more likely to force you to test and if they win by 2 you could well be testing at -4 (1HP3B, beaten by 2, lancers and disrupted because of the flank charge). Just like if you are in a wood or marsh, they are still lancers just lancers that don't get a POA so are far less likely to beat you.

bobm · Post by **bobm** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:12 am

...not trying to turn this into a marathon; honest!...but it did crop up last night. The unit lost to the foot that had charged its front. Lancers had charged into flank at same time but all "missed"......so had they lost to Lancers?

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:16 pm

No they either drew with them or beat them. (You didn't say if you caused a hit back)

terrys · Post by **terrys** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:09 am

If you lose a combet you get the -1 for facing lancers regardless of whether or not the lancers beat you:

The rule states:

Any troops testing for having lost impact phase combat even partly against lancers**

** Only applies when testing as a result of losing a close combat.The modifier for fighting
specific enemy troop types applies whether or not these inflicted more hits on the battle group
than it inflicted on them.