Charging LH intercepted by steady heavy foot

vakarr · Post by **vakarr** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:34 am

Hi, The Getae were fighting Trajan, and a LH unit declared a charge on a fragmented artillery unit. To do this, they had to pass at an angle within 2 MU of a wascally Woeman heavy infnatry unit, so the Woemans declared an intercept charge. It says over and over again in the rules that LH can't charge steady foot, so is the LH charge cancelled, do they evade, or is this an exception and they actually charge the heavy foot?

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:47 am

I'm shooting from the hip here.. The artillery would have to make a CMT for being charged while fragmented. The LH make the charge.. The HF intercept. The LH cannot evade a intercept.. Can anyone confirm this?

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:16 am

There is no prohibition against a BG of LH charging non-skirmishers. It must however pass a CMT to do so. In the situation you describe, the LH would have to declare a charge against the artillery, then pass a CMT to execute it. Should the LH fail their CMT, the charge is cancelled and nothing happens. Assuming the LH passed, the artillery would have to make a CT. If the arty fails it breaks and is removed from play. The HF may now declare an intercept charge. The LH have already passed their CMT to charge, so must charge the HF.

madmike111 · Post by **madmike111** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:04 am

I have had a similar experience however if the HF intercept the charge so that the LH can't reach the artillery does the artillery have to test for being charged?

What about the situation where the interception occurs so that the original chargers don't move at all, seems strange that the original target has to test.

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:55 am

im under the impression they still have to check. They have been charged.. I don't see anything about this being negated by an intercept charge... its says.. page 61.. last paragraph.. "Where a friendly battle group INITIALLY blocks them from being contacted by an enemy charge, they need not take a cohesion test unless the friendly battle group moves to clear the path by evading or routing." Initially.. meaning the intercept group does NOT initially block.. So they would have to check.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:23 am

Its in the FAQ's and a few posts on here. Intercepted troops charge is only cancelled if the intercept is from flank or rear. This includes LH and LF, not that they can charge many people.

So the LH would declare the charge,
the foot would move their intercept,
the Fragged Arty would test,
and
the LH would slam in to them both (depending on position and stepping forward), roll nothing but sixes and destroy the Romans as is rightfully expected.

The LH would only take a test to charge if the HF were a target, which, since they are intercepting, they cannot be.

babyshark · Post by **babyshark** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:54 pm

From the Full Turn Sequence, p 168:

. . .
CMT for skirmishers wishing to charge non-skirmishers
. . .
CT for fragmented troops being charged
Make initial rout move
Make interception charges
. . .
Make charge moves

Assuming that the LH pass their CMT to charge the arty, the arty then do their CT for being charged while frag. The the Roman HF do their intercept charge and the LH are forced to contact them because the LH passed their CMT to charge and cannot evade an intercept.

Marc

rtaylor · Post by **rtaylor** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:21 pm

On the bright side, the LH will probably break off. They might be minus two bases and/or fragmented when they break off, but hey.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:27 am

Assuming that the LH pass their CMT to charge the arty

The LH do not need to take a CMT as they are charging fragmented troops, not the HF. But they will still contact the intercept charging HF, as only an intercept from flank or rear cancels a charge.

babyshark · Post by **babyshark** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:45 pm

philqw78 wrote:
Assuming that the LH pass their CMT to charge the arty
The LH do not need to take a CMT as they are charging fragmented troops, not the HF. But they will still contact the intercept charging HF, as only an intercept from flank or rear cancels a charge.

The LH need to pass a CMT to charge unbroken non-skirmishers. See p60, second bullet.

Marc

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:26 am

LH need to pass a CMT to charge unbroken non-skirmishers

D'oh.

Missed that a number of times.

I'd also like to thank Hammy for letting me charge his Fragmented MF Bowmen, in the open, with my LF a couple of weeks ago.

(In the same part of the rules)

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:41 am

philqw78 wrote:
LH need to pass a CMT to charge unbroken non-skirmishers
D'oh. Missed that a number of times.

I'd also like to thank Hammy for letting me charge his Fragmented MF Bowmen, in the open, with my LF a couple of weeks ago.

(In the same part of the rules)

Did I??

That seems rather odd of me. I normally remember the LF charge restrictions.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:27 am

I normally remember the LF charge restrictions.

Mr Ruddock was helping us with the rules at the time. My Picts v your Dominates

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:24 am

I normally remember the LF charge restrictions.

I found it helpful to make a table of all the charge and intercept restrictions.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:03 pm

philqw78 wrote:
I normally remember the LF charge restrictions.
Mr Ruddock was helping us with the rules at the time. My Picts v your Dominates

With that combination are you surprised there was an error?

It's like having Terry help you ...