Kriegsmarine - Thumbs Down

[WWII44]

To be honest my only complaint is that no mater what you do in the game it has no effect on the out come of the war. I mean the last two missions had they happened IRL and were successful that would have had a profound and rather detrimental impact on the allied war effort.

[chesspanzer]

Hello. Have you ever seen polish submarine in Danzig stage?? I am modifying "units.csv" and I watched fuel=99 for this SUPER Sub... not need to emerge ?

We could modify this file and share it to improve this DLC. In this topic there are many interesting ideas and some of them can get with a simple change in units.csv.

What do you think about this idea?

Some changes I have done: Polish Sub Fuel=3 (3 turns submerged, no more please), Increase damage from torpedoes not only german Subs, also DDs. Better naval defense of Subs when submerged (against deep charges), Correct some incongruences of german Sub type XXI (bugs?) and more realistic if Wiki is'nt wrong: same speed submerged than surface! (3 hexs), etc.

Work is far of finished but if some of veterans (Erik, help please) cooperate we can improve this DLC easily while waiting for official patch.

Regards.

[Aminius]

i gave the dlc a try too and im rather disappointed. worst is that it ends when it gets really interesting. i was so looking forward to ruin D-Day so much and it ends right before that!
then subs are useless. and there are so many destroyer types and sub types that are missing ingame, only Z36?!?
is anyone working on a better Z-Plan campaign and add the missing types?

[TripleCP]

Kriegsmarine's campaign was pretty short and you barely get to utilize any of the "what if" units. Aside from the obvious shortcoming of having no ship upgrades other than destroyers (although it could be argued that specializations such as radar, fused AA ammo, damage control, etc. were intended to replace this), the Type XXI U-Boats (Germany's most famous naval "wonder weapon") never make it into the game. The only way this would have ever equaled some of the Pacific campaign's naval/land scenarios would have been if more hypothetical scenarios had been included such as Operation Ikarus (proposed occupation of Iceland), a landing in Leningrad (based off Germany's hypothetical WWI plans), occupying Gibraltar, a follow up operation to defend against or counterattack a British landing in the Canary Islands, with a potential culminating scenario being the invasion of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, or a Caribbean island (Cuba?).

These scenarios would probably necessitate making the Kriegsmarine's relatively insignificant naval infantry forces larger and more prestigious than they were, complete with weapons such as the amphibious versions of the Panzer II (In reality, most Kriegsmarine infantry actions were either improvised in response to crises (crews of sunken destroyers serving at Narvik, naval personnel resisting the landings at Dieppe) or were desperate late war expediencies (two Marine divisions hastily formed from redundant sailors, coastal gunners, etc.). That said, there's no reason the Kriegsmarine could not have raised elite infantry units (like the Luftwaffe's paratrooper units) if circumstances had warranted it.

There was a lot to like about Kriegsmarine, so I'm hoping the negative feedback doesn't scare the devs away from revisiting the topic of Atlantic naval warfare at some point.