Seelöwe 1940

[Erik2]

Single-player scenario (Operation Sea Lion), the planned German invasion of Great Britain.

Link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/168 ... 20v1.1.zip

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Where's the British navy in that? I can't see any Allied squares on the sea.

- BNC

[Brenmusik]

Asleep in Scapa Flow? Too much "rum, sodomy and the lash"

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Even though the British have radars and stuff that says "Hey guys, the Krauts are sailing a huge navy towards us! Do something"

The British relied on their navy for survival, so whoever is in charge of it is going to be the best person the British could find, not some dunce that thinks it would do better collecting dust in Scapa.

- BNC

[Erik2]

The British navy units are spawned at various turns and locations east and west of Britain (if things are working as they should).
The premise is that the Luftwaffe beat the RAF in Battle of Britain and thus have air superiority. This would make the RN reluctant to send the heavy ships down to the canal.
Also there's a fake German invasion convoy (based on the actual German plans) moving towards east Britain that is supposed to keep the RN occupied for a while.

[DB605]

Hi,
just read an alternative history novel, Seelöwe, the landing in England on the 21st of July 1940 (in German, Autor: Peter Friedrich). Lots of senseful information on the planning and surprise landing in July which ist primarily an Luftwaffe op.
There is an Ebook and also a paperback version at Amazon.
Reminds me a bit of Tom Clancys Red Storm Rising, comparable style.
I think it falls may be a bit short, regarding the logistical situation of the Luftwaffe in June and July in France
Regretfully only in german language, though I hope an english version will follow.

This is not the classic sealion approach for a landing on a broad front with an insufficient navy and tranport capacity.
Authors idea is a para landing supported by Ju 52 transported infantry on a small perimeter near Folkestone. The Luftwaffes job is to reach air superiority over this small area. That’s a tactical task the Luftwaffe did in the early stages of BoB and nearly succeded until dumbass Göring shifted to strategical bombardement of London etc.
Then the RN is lured into the northsea by a fake invasion fleet and decimated like in Crete 41.
Especially if you remember that the RN ships AA capacity in July 40 was worse than AA in 41.

The bait for the RN from Scaoa flow is some invasion fleet of about 50 larger freighters coming through the Kattegatt unto the Jutland Bank. By him intelligence deception operation this is leaked to the British who must respond.
Then under the cover of Me 109 with no range problems over the northsea operating out of Denmark, the attack starts with horizontal bombers to disperse the ships, followed by torpedo bombers supported by Me 110 for Flak supression, followed by horizontal bombers and some U-boats in the deep waters off Norway on the return trip off the RN, to Scapa.

After that it becomes easier to support and enlarge the first perimeter.
The story gives a lot of insights into the thinking process of the german staff. Hope 2nd part comes soon.
This is the first part of a series of justice first part treats all the necessary steps until the day of the invasion, which is set on the 21st of July 1940.

Would it really have been possible for the Wehrmacht and especially the Luftwaffe to do this stunt?
What do you think?

[nokmirt]

There would have been an Operation Sea Lion had Hitler kept bombing RAF airfields. Hitler was stupid thank god for that!

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Would it really have been possible for the Wehrmacht and especially the Luftwaffe to do this stunt?
What do you think?

Absent an absurd amount of good luck, no.

On alternatehistory.com, the topic will cause people to overreact because of how unlikely it was.

- BNC

[Horst]

I think focusing on a single coast spot would have been doom to the paratroopers in 1940. Britain could have thrown anything against them, not only by air but also land-based, including lots of tanks and artillery, especially during the night. The RAF could have focused on attacking/defending this little area too, similar like historically defending mainly London after a while.
The low fuel capacity of the Bf 109 and Stuka couldn’t really have achieved air superiority over British soil this way. Attacking every airfield and aircraft factory in reach was more likely to succeed. If the RAF was defeated in late 1940, an invasion in the winter season would have been disastrous either, so Spring 1941 was more likely, postponing Barbarossa.

I know too well from my own paratrooper actions in PC and OOB that these typically fail deep in enemy territory if no backup quickly follows. The only theoretical backup for the paratroopers near Folkestone could have made it later in 1941 with enough naval transport barges. There weren't enough German paratroopers anyway, and even the many Allied paratroopers later in Market Garden basically failed too.

Let’s see how the Kriegsmarine performs in some of the fictional scenarios later.

[kondi754]

Hi,
just read an alternative history novel, Seelöwe, the landing in England on the 21st of July 1940 (in German, Autor: Peter Friedrich). Lots of senseful information on the planning and surprise landing in July which ist primarily an Luftwaffe op.
There is an Ebook and also a paperback version at Amazon.
Reminds me a bit of Tom Clancys Red Storm Rising, comparable style.
I think it falls may be a bit short, regarding the logistical situation of the Luftwaffe in June and July in France
Regretfully only in german language, though I hope an english version will follow.

This is not the classic sealion approach for a landing on a broad front with an insufficient navy and tranport capacity.
Authors idea is a para landing supported by Ju 52 transported infantry on a small perimeter near Folkestone. The Luftwaffes job is to reach air superiority over this small area. That’s a tactical task the Luftwaffe did in the early stages of BoB and nearly succeded until dumbass Göring shifted to strategical bombardement of London etc.
Then the RN is lured into the northsea by a fake invasion fleet and decimated like in Crete 41.
Especially if you remember that the RN ships AA capacity in July 40 was worse than AA in 41.

The bait for the RN from Scaoa flow is some invasion fleet of about 50 larger freighters coming through the Kattegatt unto the Jutland Bank. By him intelligence deception operation this is leaked to the British who must respond.
Then under the cover of Me 109 with no range problems over the northsea operating out of Denmark, the attack starts with horizontal bombers to disperse the ships, followed by torpedo bombers supported by Me 110 for Flak supression, followed by horizontal bombers and some U-boats in the deep waters off Norway on the return trip off the RN, to Scapa.

After that it becomes easier to support and enlarge the first perimeter.
The story gives a lot of insights into the thinking process of the german staff. Hope 2nd part comes soon.
This is the first part of a series of justice first part treats all the necessary steps until the day of the invasion, which is set on the 21st of July 1940.

Would it really have been possible for the Wehrmacht and especially the Luftwaffe to do this stunt?
What do you think?

These are fabricated nonsense.
The British knew all about the German moves because they broke the German Enigma code.
It was unlikely to let themselves be fooled by a fake landing.
I am sure that the British would not be drawn into any sea battle on the German or Danish coast.
You can't compare Crete - there Royal Navy involved one squadron, here the entire fleet of metropolis was stationed in 1940. Kriegsmarine compared to RN Metropolis Fleet was a ridiculous force that would have been crushed in one day.
See the results of sea battles in Norwegian waters (april/may 1940) or hunt for Bismarck (1941).
The truth is that German fleet did not present any offensive value after the defeat in the operation Weserubung. Why do you think the Germans began an undersea war since the fall of 1940?