Blitzkrieg dlc - Is this "normal" difficult level?

[Andy2012]

Care to give some big hint how to get a good army. I am playing at lvl3, and managed to get to moscow. But it seems i ve got not enough resources left to beat the final level.

Everybody has a different playstyle. Even though I would say that some army compositions are more powerful than others.

For example, I never go for HeavyInf (slow, expensive), heavy AT like 88s (slow, in Blitzkrieg, you are always attacking. This is not 1945), AA (fighers can do that and scout, too), Strategic Bombers (mostly useless). RegInf without transport is fast, can be reinforced with light AT. I prefer heavy arty for the range and efficiency reduction and just three tank units. Rest is infantry, 2 engineers and 1-2 paratrooper. But I mostly use elite reinforcements with my core, so in Moscow, they are five stars. Really kicks the Russians around. I think this and arty preparation before an assault and careful advances with your infantry (backed up with light AT in case of a tank counterattack) really helps to conserve resources and build a strong army. But others might disagree. Some people swear HeavyInf with mechanized SdkfZ transport is the best. Others were very successful with the lightest arty around (lefG 18, I think, he called it a "cacafuego"...).

If you need more help, just post your army composition and more info. I bet you get a ton of people weighing in, more than you hoped for and can handle. Like drinking from a fire hose...

[GiveWarAchance]

The heavy mechanized infantry is more my style with some regular infantry and engineers and paratroops all in the mix. Strategic bombers have some effect at reducing enemy supply and also wears them down with losses as well so I think they are good.

[flyingLance]

Care to give some big hint how to get a good army. I am playing at lvl3, and managed to get to moscow. But it seems i ve got not enough resources left to beat the final level.

Everybody has a different playstyle. Even though I would say that some army compositions are more powerful than others.

For example, I never go for HeavyInf (slow, expensive), heavy AT like 88s (slow, in Blitzkrieg, you are always attacking. This is not 1945), AA (fighers can do that and scout, too), Strategic Bombers (mostly useless). RegInf without transport is fast, can be reinforced with light AT. I prefer heavy arty for the range and efficiency reduction and just three tank units. Rest is infantry, 2 engineers and 1-2 paratrooper. But I mostly use elite reinforcements with my core, so in Moscow, they are five stars. Really kicks the Russians around. I think this and arty preparation before an assault and careful advances with your infantry (backed up with light AT in case of a tank counterattack) really helps to conserve resources and build a strong army. But others might disagree. Some people swear HeavyInf with mechanized SdkfZ transport is the best. Others were very successful with the lightest arty around (lefG 18, I think, he called it a "cacafuego"...).

If you need more help, just post your army composition and more info. I bet you get a ton of people weighing in, more than you hoped for and can handle. Like drinking from a fire hose...

“RegInf without transport is fast, can be reinforced with light AT.”
this is really a good match. AI often uses it,why it just didn't occur to me?Got it.

[flyingLance]

The heavy mechanized infantry is more my style with some regular infantry and engineers and paratroops all in the mix. Strategic bombers have some effect at reducing enemy supply and also wears them down with losses as well so I think they are good.

Strategic bombers get 3 advantages compared to tactical ones:
1.more fuel, higher defence
2.more readiness reduce to enemy
3.unique supply source strike ability,suitable for some long time big plan to encircle more enemies in some local zone.

[ikbenrichard]

Care to give some big hint how to get a good army. I am playing at lvl3, and managed to get to moscow. But it seems i ve got not enough resources left to beat the final level.

Everybody has a different playstyle. Even though I would say that some army compositions are more powerful than others.

For example, I never go for HeavyInf (slow, expensive), heavy AT like 88s (slow, in Blitzkrieg, you are always attacking. This is not 1945), AA (fighers can do that and scout, too), Strategic Bombers (mostly useless). RegInf without transport is fast, can be reinforced with light AT. I prefer heavy arty for the range and efficiency reduction and just three tank units. Rest is infantry, 2 engineers and 1-2 paratrooper. But I mostly use elite reinforcements with my core, so in Moscow, they are five stars. Really kicks the Russians around. I think this and arty preparation before an assault and careful advances with your infantry (backed up with light AT in case of a tank counterattack) really helps to conserve resources and build a strong army. But others might disagree. Some people swear HeavyInf with mechanized SdkfZ transport is the best. Others were very successful with the lightest arty around (lefG 18, I think, he called it a "cacafuego"...).

If you need more help, just post your army composition and more info. I bet you get a ton of people weighing in, more than you hoped for and can handle. Like drinking from a fire hose...

Thank you for your response. Your opinion conflicts with other people which is a good sign since there will be more than one way to succeed.
However i still dont know what i am doing wrong, since beating this DLC is quite hard.

[Andy2012]

Thank you for your response. Your opinion conflicts with other people which is a good sign since there will be more than one way to succeed.
However i still dont know what i am doing wrong, since beating this DLC is quite hard.

Well, then tell us what you are doing and why it doesnt work in your opinion. We can help. (Hopefully.)

[TDefender]

Ok... I'm a stubborn guy
I started again the whole campaign, level 3. I paid very much more attention in the first missions, I reached Kiev just loosing one infantry core unit. Most of units finally with 3-4 stars. Actually this time and with this force I was able to win Kiev scenario at the first try without too much difficulties afterall... therefore I got the last mission: Moscow , more trustful this time... but nothing to do too much enemy units... I really need some advice, morevoer I would like to know what the purpose of the secondary mission goal (getting 2 vp in 15 turns) considering that the russians launched anyway several counter-attacks

[GiveWarAchance]

TDefender, I am wondering if Moscow mission was intended to be nearly impossible to win because it is the last mission and it was a dismal failure historically. So if you can't win, don't worry about it cause many have failed before you.
Anyways, some people have won it so hopefully they can help you.
kondi is sure to know how to win. He is the most legendary player of all.

[TDefender]

Wait... I've just seen this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39D5ElYAHc

... I realized I had not to take Moscow at last, which appeared impossible indeed

[Andy2012]

Wait... I've just seen this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39D5ElYAHc

... I realized I had not to take Moscow at last, which appeared impossible indeed

Yep. To "win" Moscow, plan for a limited attack and a fighting retreat.

I would suggest that you attack the northern two secondary VPs with your most powerful units and heavy arty and Stuka support. Should be able to seize them in 15 turns easily. Bring some light AT along, husband your resources, be careful.
Meanwhile, buy some Mountaineer and light AT to hold chokepoints at your silver flags in the southwest. Two infantry or three, behind them light AT. Let them dig in for several turns right from the start.
When the Russians counterattack, retreat your attack forces in the north slowly, grind them down. Support your southern forces with Stukas and Air attacks and Recon. Cover your retreat in the north with arty. Work with the terrain, defending river banks gives you an advantage.
This way, you should hold your starting positions after 30 turns easily.
If you plan like this from the start and never actually commit to getting to Moscow, it is easily winnable. Most important thing: Dont exhaust your troops and credits by pushing too far after securing the first two secondary VPs after 10-15 turns. Stay calm, absorb the blows.

BTW, @devs: For the Wehrmacht 1942, you could start with a similar scenario in the demyansk pocket. Fighting retreat as in Bataan is difficult, but exciting.

[TDefender]

Yeees! I finally did it ! (level 3) In this second try I attacked with my whole army from the south and it looked a good idea, russians were quite imprepared and even in the final turns I was able to resist with the core of my forces at 7-8 hex from Moscow ( I took Podolsk and Golytysyno vps) . Thanks to everybody for supporting and all the advices and, obviously, (altough I confirm some criticism to this dlc) thanks to devs for this amazing game: 560 gameplay hours achieved!

[GiveWarAchance]

TDefender very good!
If you want more fun, you can try the campaign again on higher difficulty level and experience new levels of joy & pain.

Andy, Demyansk is good idea for start of next campaign. Hopefully the company sees your idea.

[Andy2012]

TDefender very good!
If you want more fun, you can try the campaign again on higher difficulty level and experience new levels of joy & pain.

Andy, Demyansk is good idea for start of next campaign. Hopefully the company sees your idea.

Yeah. Hopefully, they take a leaf out of the Panzercorps Grand Campaign book. They did it brilliantly: Hold the reds off while you escort Ju52 to your airfields to keep the pocket supplied. With the OoB supply system, this would be nerve-racking. Imagine decreasing supply points and struggling to get a new transport in to increase them (just as in Winterwar with dropping Soviet approval in the last mission).
@devs: Pick this up, please. These mindnumbing "100 turns to Melbourne" or "Kill all enemy units" missions were just an abomination.
Another proposal: Make several missions on the same map. Make the first "hold Demyansk pocket", then "relieve the pocket with a counterattack". This way, we get more missions, you get to charge more money for less work, everybody's happy.

[ikbenrichard]

Thank you for your response. Your opinion conflicts with other people which is a good sign since there will be more than one way to succeed.
However i still dont know what i am doing wrong, since beating this DLC is quite hard.

Well, then tell us what you are doing and why it doesnt work in your opinion. We can help. (Hopefully.)

Starting over from the beginning. So far it is going a lot better. Already got 2 very heavy artillery's and that is quite helpful.

[Andy2012]

Thank you for your response. Your opinion conflicts with other people which is a good sign since there will be more than one way to succeed.
However i still dont know what i am doing wrong, since beating this DLC is quite hard.

Well, then tell us what you are doing and why it doesnt work in your opinion. We can help. (Hopefully.)

Starting over from the beginning. So far it is going a lot better. Already got 2 very heavy artillery's and that is quite helpful.

Yeah, with hindsight, almost all campaigns get significantly easier. Best investment for early on is also a light AT (3,7 AT, later 7,5 AT) to deploy with those parts of your army without tank or Stuka support. I usually go for a "fast, overpowered pincer" (tanks, stukas, fighters, mobile arty, engineers) and a slow one (light AT and light infantry). They hold the flanks and on roads, both units are really fast. Just keep them together and counterattacks from tanks should bounce off. Dont need the expensive 88AT here.

[GiveWarAchance]

Andy sounds like good advice.
I Just bought this Blitz campaign so I will remember that. I've heard Kiev and Moscow are phenomenally difficult.

[Andy2012]

Andy sounds like good advice.
I Just bought this Blitz campaign so I will remember that. I've heard Kiev and Moscow are phenomenally difficult.

Not anymore, they patched Kiev. Previously, it was "Kill all units", which was nearly impossible. In Moscow, just plan for a limited attack to the first two secondary VP, then a fighting retreat.
Oh yeah, dont deploy any tanks at first in Yugoslavia. Go for Prizren with infantry and AT and arty support. In the Ardennes scenario, be careful not to be cut off from the encircled Belgians and French in the middle of your two pincers. And in the Dunkirk scenario, go watch adherbals videos in the AAR section first. It is a bit difficult if you dont do it right.
Generally, I think Blitzkrieg is easily the best DLC yet.

[GiveWarAchance]

Thank you Andy.
I think in Yugoslavia there is an secondary objective to not use tanks, right?
What difficulty did you do the Blitz Campaign on? I'm thinking middle one is best for me. I will start the campaign today.

[GiveWarAchance]

You can press (and hold) the space bar to check whether the supply ship is providing supply to the land region. It will show all supply sources, and supply ships will be shown with an arrow showing exactly which region they are supplying.

it seems most guys don't like to read the tutorial popped out,the fight about the support sources is really the key to win,especially for hardest mode

I always do tutorials on games. I had set spacebar to next unit cause I use it most, so the supply display wasn't available.
I can't find supply display in the controls list so I have to reset hotkeys to default.

[Andy2012]

Thank you Andy.
I think in Yugoslavia there is an secondary objective to not use tanks, right?
What difficulty did you do the Blitz Campaign on? I'm thinking middle one is best for me. I will start the campaign today.

Nope, it is a secondary objective in Norway.
Yugoslavia give you several layered objectives: Knockout Prizren and stop the Italians from getting obliterated, knock out the Belgrade HQ with bombers, then seize Belgrade and another city. Just start with infantry and arty, you get more command points and tank reinforcements later. Hills and forest are a bad terrain for your tanks.
I play on middle difficulty. Im not a dev or kondi.