Eastern Lists - market research

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:09 pm

The overworked list team are looking for some indication of which lists players think are the must include lists for this part of the world.

By this I mean those that a significant number of players will use/expect to see included - I'm afraid it does not mean your pet obscure army that you've always wanted to see in a list book

I'm not going to say what we think any of the lists should be to avoid influencing views so suggest away, nothing should be considered too obvious. If you feel the need to justify a list for inclusion please do so briefly - a short statement will do fine. Ditto a short statement if anyone wishes to challenge a suggestion.

No promises about inclusion of any BTW

Thanks in advance for your views - post away ...

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:19 pm

Tibetan -

'cos they had a big aggressive empire until it went pete tongue. They fought a number of nations and provided allies to number of nations. And they've got nice horses and Excorcists and Magic daggers

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:48 pm

Yuan

Malay/khmer

E./L. Samurai

Madcam.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:52 pm

Lots and lots of Chinese lists

olivier · Post by **olivier** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:04 pm

all this peoples who lives in the steppes with bow on hands and an horse between the legs!

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:04 pm

philqw78 wrote:Tibetan -

'cos they had a big aggressive empire until it went pete tongue. They fought a number of nations and provided allies to number of nations. And they've got nice horses and Excorcists and Magic daggers

For Phil:

"To the front, one hundred champions ride horses and clear the way. The
leaders on the right are one hundred heroes wearing tiger skins. The
leaders on the left are one hundred tantrists holding aloft mystical
daggers (phur bu). Following behind, one hundred myul in full armour
carrying spears."

Draka · Post by **Draka** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:10 pm

Hsiung-nu, Wusun, Mongol and all the other steppe nomad enemies of the Chinese all thru the ages.

Every flavor of Chinese army from Shang to Ming

Korean and Vietnamese armies

Do you consider the Indian sub-continent a part of this Book's area, or is that a whole separate Book?

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:35 pm

one hundred champions
one hundred heroes wearing tiger skins
one hundred tantrists holding aloft mystical daggers
one hundred myul in full armour carrying spears

So then, QED, a quarter of the army were Excorcists with Magic daggers
well worth a BG

babyshark · Post by **babyshark** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:36 pm

hammy wrote:Lots and lots of Chinese lists

Hear, hear!

Marc

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:39 pm

Draka wrote:
Do you consider the Indian sub-continent a part of this Book's area, or is that a whole separate Book?

India included - basically India eastwards. I take it you have some Indian suggestions

IrishBouzouki · Post by **IrishBouzouki** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:56 pm

The hairy Northern barbarian cavalry armies that routed the Huns across Asia and set up the Northern Chinese dynasties.
Hsien-Pi
Hsung-Nu
I can't spell, but, yeah, all those guys...

Intothevalley · Post by **Intothevalley** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:56 pm

Draka wrote:Every flavor of Chinese army from Shang to Ming

Seconded (or thirded)! However, I think that probably a minimum of 11 lists would be necessary for this:

Shang
Western Zhou/Spring and Autumns
Warring States/Ch'in
Han
Three Kingdoms/Western T'sin
Northern and Southern dynasties
Sui/T'ang
Ten Kingdoms and Five Dynasties
Song Dynasty
Yuan
Ming

I have all these armies so would be eager to see them included. But, given that the maximum number of army lists in the other books so far has been 26 (Storm of Arrows), will this leave enough room for all those Tibetans, Koreans, Japanese, Burmese, Vietnamese, not to mention various steppe nomads?

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:24 pm

Arab-Indian please !

Also, given the large part they played in Tibetan armies, did the Nepalese really never merit a list of their own ?

Cheers

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:49 pm

- Already have a central asian turk / central asian city state army half painted and on hold until I know whats in it.

- Are Khazars in the Byzantine book? If not put them an in asian one.

- I think the breadth of range required for an asian book from shang to ming doesnt make sense for a themed comp. either split it early and late or by region - central and south east asia.

Anthony

daleivan · Post by **daleivan** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:38 pm

babyshark wrote:
hammy wrote:Lots and lots of Chinese lists
Hear, hear!

Marc

What they said--basically Shang, Chou (Spring and Autumn Annals and Warring States), Han, Three Kingdoms, Sui, Tang, various northern Chinese states such as Xi Xia, Yuan and early Ming.

Also Japanese including pre-Samurai from the Heian period. Various steppe nomads--Hsiung Nu and on. Khmer, Burmese, Annam/Champa. And, oh yes, Tibetan.

No I don't want much at all...

Dale

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:21 pm

IrishBouzouki wrote:The hairy Northern barbarian cavalry armies that routed the Huns across Asia and set up the Northern Chinese dynasties.
Hsien-Pi
Hsung-Nu
I can't spell, but, yeah, all those guys...

Tell you what, if you use the pinyin names I'll let them in

(Xianbei and Xiongnu)

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:24 pm

Scrumpy wrote:
Arab-Indian please !

I'd like some sources for these chaps. OK for the Umayyad armies that conquered Sind but after that ...

No wikipedia please

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:31 pm

Whilst we are ont he subject, how will the Ghurids' wool sack defence be treated ?

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:51 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Whilst we are ont he subject, how will the Ghurids' wool sack defence be treated ?

In line with the Tabaqat i-Nasiri:

“The troops of Ghur have a method, in the practise of fighting on foot, of making a certain article of one fold of raw bullock-hide, over both sides of which they lay cotton, and over all draw figured coarse cotton cloth, after the form of a screen [or breast work], and the name of that article of defence is karwah. When the foot soldiers of Ghur place this [screen] upon their shoulders, they are completely covered from head to foot by it; and when they close their ranks, they appear like unto a wall, and no missile or arms can take any effect on it, on account of the quantity of cotton with which it is stuffed.”

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:24 pm

Sorry to be a party pooper but you need 2 volumes Mr G.

Oh, Yes you do!

You REALLY have to do 2 books. 26 armies just does not cut it. I would suggest north of the current Indochinese border for one lot and south of that for the other. You can't really leave out any of the Indian Armies mentioned and from Ho Chi Minh City to Indonesia covers a lot of ground and armies. Yes I know that lots of Chinese armies invaded here but I can't bear all the steppe horsemen and chinese armies you would have to leave out to to fit in more than a token Indian list from post 500 AD.

However if you HAVE to stick to one book, put in a token army for Southern/Eastern India and Sri Lanka, one covering all the Elephant armies of Burma, Siam and Indo-China, 11 or 12 Chinese, 3 Japanses, and 9 horse based armies from Tibet to Manchuria.