OoB scenario victory conditions

[jimbowood]

I've played the Kiev scenario eight times. Never won. Am beginning to wonder if other players have failed to advance to the next scenario? Taking Kiev is simple and can be accomplished with a fairly small number of units. It's the requirement of destroying 107 Russian ground units that seems impossible. I have gotten to 100 destroyed several times. Given how much distance the last Russian units are spread over it's hard to even find all of them, Plus the initial replacement points you are allowed is very small. Purchasing or reactivating from the dead unit pile of only one armor and one air unit takes all your points. I've never succeeded in having more than three armor units on the board at a time and they are too expensive to replace once the scenario starts you with 30 replacement points per turn. Furthermore I don't understand the limiting of types of troops. You can have 20-30 command points left and still be unable to put a common unit in reserve on the map. For the SS I understand this limitation. So to sum up, the number of units you have to destroy is too high. Even if you conquer every village and city on the map you will still lose even if you have destroyed 95% of Russian ground forces. In other words having won a smashing victory from a historical perspective, you still lose. This is exacerbated by the fact that you get no credit for destroying enemy bunkers and air units, and there are a lot of them. You are allowed too little, reinforcements are meager, victory conditions are too high, and matching or surpassing the historical outcome doesn't matter.
Can this be fixed? I guess I don't appreciate purchasing a game that denies me the chance to advance!

[adherbal]

We should have a patch coming next week which - among other things - changes the Kiev victory condition to rout or destroy 100 soviet units.

[richfed]

Still trying to overcome this scenario [with version 2.9.9] and advance to the next battle. Have not yet found the way. Very, very tough. I can take and hold Kiev. I can link those 3 cities in the east with my forces - though I am not sure I am seeing any tangible positive effect in doing so - but, I cannot destroy anywhere close to the required 100 Russian units. My impression is that the either the scenario is too short or there are too many Russian units to defeat. They are loaded with artillery & ant-aircraft guns. And everything else for that matter - armored vehicles & infantry. I can cause them to retreat, but they disappear into the Russian countryside. If my boys over-pursue, they are hacked to pieces.

Well, it's snowing today. Think I'll fire up the game and renew my efforts. Lots of fun this game is!!

[calmhatchery]

We should have a patch coming next week which - among other things - changes the Kiev victory condition to rout or destroy 100 soviet units.

Yes I agree with this. I tried 2 times and I m lost. Im interseting how another players can win in KIEV scenario.
Can we also expect operating correctly working "SKIN CAMOUFLAGE" feature with new upcoming patch?

[bru888]

We should have a patch coming next week which - among other things - changes the Kiev victory condition to rout or destroy 100 soviet units.

Yes I agree with this. I treid 2 times and I m lost. Im interseting how another players can win in KIEV scenario.
Can we also expect operating correctly working "SKIN CAMOUFLAGE" feature with new upcoming patch?

I have not played it yet, but I am under the impression that adherbal was talking about the 2.9.9 patch, going by the date of his post, so I would say whatever change that they were planning to make is now in place.