FoG:R Update - BG autobreak

[nikgaukroger]

Don

Agree with you other than the last point. Nick and Richard rather tastefully shot a Swiss Keil to bits without me even reaching contact when using their Napoleonic Grand battery and Tercios at the Rollcall Beta tourney... but I am over it now...

I'd forgotten that

[DavidT]

I would like Elites to be an exception to the autobreak on >50%. The Swiss were known to fight on when any normal man would have run away and having them as Elites reflects this nicely. It makes Elites worth those extra points.

[ravenflight]

I would like Elites to be an exception to the autobreak on >50%. The Swiss were known to fight on when any normal man would have run away and having them as Elites reflects this nicely. It makes Elites worth those extra points.

Poor & lights AT 50%;
average & superior at > 50% or 1 base.
Elite at > 66% or 1 base.

[DavidT]

Ravenflight wrote:
Poor & lights AT 50%;
average & superior at > 50% or 1 base.
Elite at > 66% or 1 base.

I would leave Elite at >60% as they are at the moment as this works fine, but I agree with the rest.

[nikgaukroger]

Ravenflight wrote:
Poor & lights AT 50%;
average & superior at > 50% or 1 base.
Elite at > 66% or 1 base.

I would leave Elite at >60% as they are at the moment as this works fine, but I agree with the rest.

Agreed. No need to boost Elites for this IMO.

If we didn't go for 50% for lights and >50% for Battle Troops this suggestion but with >60% for Elites would probably be our preference.

[vexillia]

Agreed. No need to boost Elites for this IMO.

>66% only boosts BG's of 6 or more. See below.

If we didn't go for 50% for lights and >50% for Battle Troops this suggestion but with >60% for Elites would probably be our preference.

There's no difference between >50%, 60, >60% and 66% for BG < 8:

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Bases   50%     51%     60%     61%     66%     67%
    2   1.00    1.02    1.20    1.22    1.32    1.34
    4   2.00    2.04    2.40    2.44    2.64    2.68
    6   3.00    3.06    3.60    3.66    3.96    4.02
    8   4.00    4.08    4.80    4.88    5.28    5.36
                        
Bases   50%     >50%    60%     >60%    66%     >66%
    2   1       2       2       2       2       2
    4   2       3       3       3       3       3
    6   3       4       4       4       4       5
    8   4       5       5       5       6       6

Are there that many Elite BG's in 8s or more? Not many spring to mind. Checking the maths might allow you to simplify things.

[timmy1]

Swiss GBG Keils like the 66% rule - would sure encourage more people to use Swiss...

[nikgaukroger]

Are there that many Elite BG's in 8s or more? Not many spring to mind. Checking the maths might allow you to simplify things.

Swiss - and they're quite important

No desire to up the number of bases they need to lose to autobreak though - >60% would be the max.

[vexillia]

Swiss - and they're quite important

I agree. Note to self look at your Imperial French army more often ....

No desire to up the number of bases they need to lose to autobreak though - >60% would be the max.

OK. Time to extend the tables:

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Bases   50%     51%     60%     61%     66%     67%
    2   1.00    1.02    1.20    1.22    1.32    1.34
    4   2.00    2.04    2.40    2.44    2.64    2.68
    6   3.00    3.06    3.60    3.66    3.96    4.02
    8   4.00    4.08    4.80    4.88    5.28    5.36
   10   5.00    5.10    6.00    6.10    6.60    6.70
   12   6.00    6.12    7.20    7.32    7.96    8.04
   14   7.00    7.14    8.40    8.54    9.24    9.38
   16   8.00    8.16    9.60    9.76   10.56   10.72

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Bases   50%     >50%    60%     >60%    66%     >66%
    2   1       2       2       2       2       2
    4   2       3       3       3       3       3
    6   3       4       4       4       4       5
    8   4       5       5       5       6       6
   10   5       6       6       7       7       7
   12   6       7       8       8       8       9
   14   7       8       9       9      10      10
   16   8       9      10      10      11      11

• The only difference between 60% and >60% is for BGs of 10.
• >50% only differs from 60% for BGs 12 or more
• >50% only differs from >60% for BGs 10 or more
• >50% only differs from 66% for BGs 8 or more
• >50% only differs from >66% for BGs 6 or more

If you want to favour elites in general, and not just in large numbers, you need a break point of >66% but even this doesn't help BGs of 4 or less.

Pay your money and make your choice.

[timmy1]

Elites to break on >75% loss suits me...