Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016

[benjones1211]

The only problem with after terrain is that what number do you use for your Initiative as different armies may have different levels of Generals and Mtd.

[nigelemsen]

The only problem with after terrain is that what number do you use for your Initiative as different armies may have different levels of Generals and Mtd.

Go for pre laid out tables and not all with stuff in the flanks ...


50/50 balance on safe flanks and open flanks...

[Paulkit0]

Alternately always use the initiative of the largest force (which should at least in theory have the highest scout /initiative level), then do the terrain , then deploy the troops. Nice thing about this is there will always be a bit of doubt about what the initiative values of the smaller armies actually are so ambushes and flank marches become more important.

[benjones1211]

Like it!!

[nigelemsen]

How will we represent chariots? DH plus bow or 2hct or light spear?

[Paulkit0]

I suspect that depends Nigel. I can see "Heavy" chariots as DH (e.g. Assyrian 4 horse types), but it would be stretching it a bit for Ancient Brit or Egyptians who (given their ability to skirmish in the ancients rules) sound more like cavalry.

[tjelsworth]

Chaps, I have lost track of where this conversation originated but if discussing armies for this comp then please note that chariots are not allowed.

T

[nigelemsen]

Chaps, I have lost track of where this conversation originated but if discussing armies for this comp then please note that chariots are not allowed.

T

Ok... No NKE... Re think of army choice... Have a plan b and c

[nigelemsen]

Chaps, I have lost track of where this conversation originated but if discussing armies for this comp then please note that chariots are not allowed.

T

Anything else not allowed?
years we are happy to advise you of the details of this year’s competition.

Armies: 25 mm FOG AM or R armies from any published book

Rules: We will be using FOG R rules irrespective of whether you are using FOG AM or FOG R armies.

To convert FOG AM troop types to the equivalent FOG R troop types use: -

FOGR heavy lance to be used for gendarmes equivalents - say from 1400 onwards

FOGR keils apply to AM pike blocks from the introduction of Pikes into the Swiss armies

FOGAM impact foot who use heavy throwing weapon (legions, Spanish) will take the points of impact foot plus bayonet/swordsmen but count as having light spear versus mounted and straight impact foot versus foot

Undrilled AM HF/MF will count as warrior – except in cases where an argument can be made for unusual levels of cohesiveness e.g. Hoplites

Slingers will count as bows with long range limited to 4 MUs

Compulsory fortified camps need not be bought

AM artillery counts as poor

AM type "protected" and "unprotected" both count as unarmoured

AM spear armed mounted will count as light lance

Army Design: Within your chosen army list select any date and then design four variants of the army which have a total of up to 3000 points. There must be at least 60 points difference between each army. The smallest army must not be less than 640 points and the largest more than 850 points. Field fortifications (FF) are not allowed within the army lists selected. Within your selected date and variant list you can vary allies, generals or troops as you want within those allowed.

Over the 4 games you must use each army at least ONCE.

The competition will use the full rules including the terrain and set-up appendices. In addition: -
• Any heavy or medium artillery must be in the first BG's to be deployed.
• Medium and Heavy artillery cannot be deployed such that they could fire into either flank zone.
• There must be 6 foot battle troop bases for every gun
• There must be No more superior bases than average/poor bases for both Foot and Horse battle troop BG's.

Army lists must specify the number and size of battle groups and their order of march for deployment, and the number and type of commanders chosen. They should also include the territory list for the army. Once an army list has been submitted it may not be changed or altered other than to correct any errors. Players may only correct their errors by making reasonable changes to their list. It is not allowed to completely re-write the list, and the list checkers decision on this is final.

It is hoped that the table size will 8' x 4½’ (but it may be reduced depending on the number of players). Players must supply their own terrain pieces. These must be to an acceptable standard and the umpire will have the discretion to remove unsightly items. Terrain will be based on 25 mm equal to 1 MU. In addition all figures must be representative and painted and based to an acceptable standard. Deployment of the main line will be at 10” with skirmishers at 15” unless the scenarios states otherwise.
Flank marches will not be allowed where the points difference between the two armies is greater the 75 point..

Movement - Movement will be using 40 mm equal to 1 MU.

A limited number of spare 25 mm Armies are available to borrow for players without 25 mm armies (mainly Ancient).
However, those supplying the spare armies request as much notice as possible to find the figures
and ensure they are correctly based.

Fuller details from Robert Medcraft (robertmedcraft2009@hotmail.co.uk).

Cost: The cost of entering the competition is £25 – cheques made payable to Oxford Wargames
Society.

Venue: Wolvercote Village Hall, Wolvercote, Oxford, OX2 8BD
viking123
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[viking123]

I was asked the question of chariots over the weekend and have given it some thought.

Light chariots could be either Light horse or cavalry with the appropriate weapon.

Heavy chariots could be Gendarmes with an impact weapon appropriate to what is carried but in melee would be have no weapon be fully armoured.

What does people think?

[nigelemsen]

I was asked the question of chariots over the weekend and have given it some thought.

Light chariots could be either Light horse or cavalry with the appropriate weapon.

Heavy chariots could be Gendarmes with an impact weapon appropriate to what is carried but in melee would be have no weapon be fully armoured.

What does people think?

works for me... my nke would be superior/average (to comply with 50:50 rule), cav or lh, bow & sword?

[viking123]

I would say just bow. There is no indication that under FOG AM that they had a melee weapon.

[nigelemsen]

I would say just bow. There is no indication that under FOG AM that they had a melee weapon.

But there are some poa mitigation around armour not counting? How about count as 2hct without the h2h +

[viking123]

Nigel,

The final decision will be down to Tom.

Bob

[nigelemsen]

Nigel,

The final decision will be down to Tom.

Bob

Hi Tom,

Currently painting the army... Can you let me know if allowed, so I can stop and move to another option for the end of the month please?

PS: when do final lists need to be in please?

Cheers

[nigelemsen]

I'll bringg a biblical army without chariots for ease

[tjelsworth]

All, my original thought was no chariots as nothing at all like that in FOGR (the only such case). But not averse to allowing them on the basis discussed above, no Melee weapons. I wonder if they will come out rather overpriced, however that is players risk I guess!

Tom

[tjelsworth]

All,


May I have army lists soon please. I know it is complex! To t.elsworth@btopenworld.com please.

We have now all agreed, due to lack of contrary arguments, that chariots are allowed on the basis posted.

Thanks

Tom

[Paulkit0]

Acknowledged. - probably have to get them too you early next week. Mine will work on the principle design a small army then add 60 points at a time to get the bigger ones, so hopefully if the core army is OK the larger ones will be too as you'll only need to check the changes. Now all I need to do is decide what to use

[tjelsworth]

Paul

Thanks. Sounds like a plan. I did it the other way, not easy. Much juggling.

T