Tournament Countback

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:12 am

I am running a Tourney this weekend. 24 players in only 3 rounds. I have concerns that a traditional countback (combined cumulative score of opponents) may still leave us with some ties in the top 5. What are everyone's thoughts on 2nd level countbacks. Camps sacked and generals killed lend themselves to thought. I appreciate some comments.
Gino
SMAC

berthier · Post by **berthier** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:00 am

Hey Gino,

I have thought for a while that there should be a mechanism to include sacked camps and generals killed in some fashion. Countback seems to be one good way to do so.

Chris The Tasty Numdian Anders

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:28 am

Even if you just use integer scores on 25-0 you are unlikely to have many ties after three games with 24 players. You are looking at a potential 75 points after all.

The software used at BHGS events that Terry has written keeps track of the fractional points and uses them for tiebreaks.

Sum of opponents scores is reasonable as a tiebreak.

You could of course always have a joint place.

shall · Post by **shall** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:21 pm

I think I am correct in saying there hasn't been a tie yet has there?

One simple option is to use round scores

Last round
Next to last round

etc.

Does the job with no more maths

If they are tied across 4 rounds give them both a beer and a prize!!

Si

rogerg · Post by **rogerg** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:59 pm

Camps sacked is biased towards the mounted armies. With some armies you have to concede the camp because there is no practical way to stop the LH running around and grabbing it, short of sitting in a defensive position.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:00 pm

shall wrote:I think I am correct in saying there hasn't been a tie yet has there?

Don't worry the Georgians can't tie their shoes...much less their scores !!!!

KingHassan · Post by **KingHassan** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:19 am

Generals killed would just reward players who can roll well.

Shall's last round solution is elegant because the scores would have been generated against higher seated players.

marty · Post by **marty** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:05 am

In warrior comps in Oz we have always used the total of opponents scores for the comp to break ties. The idea is that the person playing the toughest opponents should win out.

Martin

DontFearDaReaper · Post by **DontFearDaReaper** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:17 pm

The software used at BHGS events that Terry has written keeps track of the fractional points and uses them for tiebreaks.

Hmmm is this software available somewhere?

Dave

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:53 pm

DontFearDaReaper wrote:
The software used at BHGS events that Terry has written keeps track of the fractional points and uses them for tiebreaks.
Hmmm is this software available somewhere?

Dave

I think the intention os for it to be available for tournament organisers but I am not sure if it is yet ready. It seems to have a bad habit of breaking from time to time.

I suggest trying to get in touch with JD.

DontFearDaReaper · Post by **DontFearDaReaper** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:59 pm

I'm pretty new to the forum and FoG (well ancients as well, I'm not a DBx grognard converting over but a new convert who played a little Warmaster Ancients before getting hooked on FoG). Not entirely sure who JD is or how to get in touch with him

So is this is some custom software written from scratch and not an Excel spreadsheet??

Our club is having a small tournament on August 2. If it was available we might have been interested in using it.

Dave

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:16 pm

DontFearDaReaper wrote:I'm pretty new to the forum and FoG (well ancients as well, I'm not a DBx grognard converting over but a new convert who played a little Warmaster Ancients before getting hooked on FoG). Not entirely sure who JD is or how to get in touch with him

So is this is some custom software written from scratch and not an Excel spreadsheet??

Our club is having a small tournament on August 2. If it was available we might have been interested in using it.

Dave

JD is JD McNeil of Slitherine jdm@slitherine.co.uk, he is a director of Slitherine and very heavily involved in all things FoG.

The scoring sofware is an excel spreadsheet but a very complex one with lots of macros. It works out the draw and lots of other good stuff.

I have a sheet that will allow a manual calculation that gets exactly the same result as the software which I would be happy to mail you.

FWIW my e-mail is hammy@the-riverbank.net

DontFearDaReaper · Post by **DontFearDaReaper** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:31 pm

Thanks Hammy, most kind. I'll send you an email off-forum.

Dave