Mi Palmyran Army

jonwesleyhardin · Post by **jonwesleyhardin** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:19 pm

Hello

My Palmyran army. 796pts. 15mm. With Roman forces

1 FC
2 TC

2x4 Cat HeavyArm, Sup,Undrill, Lancer, Sword
2x4 Horse Archers Unprotec, Average, Undrilled, Bow
1x4 Regular Horse Archers Unprotec Average, Drilled, Bow, LightSpear
1x8 Foot Archers MF,Unproc, Average, Undrilled, Bow
1x4 Roman Cav Armoured,Average, Drilled, LightSpear, Swordmen
2x4 Roman Legionaries HF,Armoured, Sup, Drilled, Impact foot, SkilledSwordmen
Attached 2x2 Bows LF Unprotec, Sup, Drilled, Bow
2x4 Roman Auxiliares HF, Armoured, Average, Drilled, LightSpear, Swordmen
Attached 2x2 Bows, LF, Unprotec,Ave, Drilled, BOw
2x6 Light Archers LF, Unprotec, Ave, Undrilled, Bow
1x4 Lanciarii MF, Sup, Armoured, Drilled, Light Spear, SkilledSwordmen

Any comment??

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:50 pm

From my point of view. Lots of small units. What are you going to fight with and where are you going to fight? Some cataphracts, but not enough, some Legio, but not enough, even with the cats to dominate the open. Some MF, but again not enough to dominate with only a total 6 element frontage of them. If they are meant to dominate bad terrain drop the LF from the units as Mtd are unlikely to want to come in and get them.

But then it depends who you are fighting.

daleivan · Post by **daleivan** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:10 pm

philqw78 wrote:From my point of view. Lots of small units. What are you going to fight with and where are you going to fight? Some cataphracts, but not enough, some Legio, but not enough, even with the cats to dominate the open. Some MF, but again not enough to dominate with only a total 6 element frontage of them. If they are meant to dominate bad terrain drop the LF from the units as Mtd are unlikely to want to come in and get them.

But then it depends who you are fighting.

Definitely the small unit size will make this army vulnerable to shooting hits. It strikes me as basically a Roman army. Personally, I go with more cataphract and less foot, but as philqw78 asks what do you intend to be the spear point for this army and where do you intend to deploy it?

jonwesleyhardin · Post by **jonwesleyhardin** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:13 pm

Hello again and thanks for the quick reply.

I dont have a clearly-defined fighting stile. My list is more to plan what i must buy. I have a Palmyran and a Middle Roman army to DBA and i wanna know what I can buy for a FOG army
But my battle plan could be:

A strong centre with all the heavy infantry (auxliares and legionaries)

A wing with the cat and some Light horse. This will be my attack force in collaboration with the centre.

A weak wing, may be anchor in a bad terrain with the bows, the lanciarii and some LF.

The Roman Cav can be a reserve or join the strong wing.

What do you think about the archers suporting the HF?? they increase the size of the BG and can be usefull versus Mounted troops

MCollett · Post by **MCollett** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:35 am

For comparison, here's a list I used today:

1 x IC (Odaenathus)
2 x TC
2 x 6 Cataphracts Ct Heavily armoured Superior Drilled Lancers Swordsmen
3 x 4 Horse archers LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow
2 x 6 Foot archers LF Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow
2 x 4 Roman cavalry Cv Armoured Average Drilled Light spear Swordsmen
2 x 6 Roman legionaries HF Armoured Average Drilled Impact foot Swordsmen
1 x 4 Roman auxiliaries MF Protected Average Drilled Light spear Swordsmen

12 BGs, 798 pts

Best wishes,
Matthew

jonwesleyhardin · Post by **jonwesleyhardin** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:02 am

Thanks for your list. I am going to study it.

BurinusAgricolae · Post by **BurinusAgricolae** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:27 pm

Hi i am studying palmyran as my favourite list for the period: i really love 2/3 units of cataphracts together with deadly bowmen and terrifying roman legionaries.

i strongly prefer the MCollet list but in that case i would drop the roman cav and replace it with one additional bow and auxilia and provide the legionaries the supporting LF

in addition i think bowmen work very well in unit with 8 bases (at short range the have 6 dices and at long 4, they are deadly in melee with cav and very difficult to damage with firing)
this is also the main reason for havig supporting LF to legionaries. with a 9 bases unit is very hard to damage them with firing...

I prefer 6 bases cataphract unit since they are more solid but clearly 2*6=3*4 and smaller units give you a little more flexibility.

I never used IC but i understand that it may be worth the expenditure..

jonwesleyhardin · Post by **jonwesleyhardin** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:59 pm

My new Palmyran list After your valuable advice

1 FC
2 TC

2x6 Cat HeavyArm, Sup,Undrill, Lancer, Sword
2x4 Horse Archers Unprotec, Average, Undrilled, Bow
1x4 Regular Horse Archers Unprotec Average, Drilled, Bow, LightSpear
1x8 Foot Archers MF,Unproc, Average, Undrilled, Bow
1x4 Roman Cav Armoured,Average, Drilled, LightSpear, Swordmen
1x4 Roman Legionaries HF,Armoured, Sup, Drilled, Impact foot, SkilledSwordmen
1x6 Roman Legionaries HF,Armoured,Ave, Drilled, Impact foot, Swordmen
1x6 Roman Auxiliares HF, Armoured, Average, Drilled, LightSpear, Swordmen
2x6 Light Archers LF, Unprotec, Ave, Undrilled, Bow
1x4 Lanciarii MF, Sup, Armoured, Drilled, Light Spear, SkilledSwordmen

13 BG. 798 pts

I increase the number of Cataphracts. They are my main power
I maintain my strong centre with 3 unit of HF
I have enough light horse. The regular light horse may be can do some chance in combat.
The archer could threat the enemy cavalry and maintain a flank
I like the lanciarii.

One change could be drop the roman cav and increase the HF and add supporting LF. But I think the cav could be a good reserve.