I found big mistake on the campaingh map

levani · Post by **levani** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:01 pm

on the east of the map between pontic and caspian seas there is writen ARMENIA, this isn't true Armenia has never been there. there was COLCHIS and IBERIA ancient georgian kingdoms. I can prove it, if anyone wishes I can send maps on mail. please make shure you correct this mistake

grimsta · Post by **grimsta** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:27 pm

I think that may have been Rome: Total War you were playing.....a game not noted for historical accuracy....*cough*screechingwomen*cough*

ehre · Post by **ehre** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:51 am

wrong game...

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:25 am

I think he saw that one spot on the map of Italy labelled "Ariminium", and mistook that for Armenia.

tora_tora_tora · Post by **tora_tora_tora** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:29 am

I must comfess I write Rom"a" in previous post.
I mean Rome. As in introduction movie, I watch so often, it anchored deep in my brain.

And as you see, I made spelling miss and syntax error, everytime I post.
The reason I can communicate with you is due to your patience and kindness and brain.

levani · Post by **levani** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:33 pm

I saw it on the right of screen and I'm shure that Italy isn't on right. look carefully trailer and you will see that there is writen ARMENIA not ARIMINUM.
levani

grimsta · Post by **grimsta** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:42 pm

Oh that. Its not talking about the Kingdom of Cilician Armenia.......its what the whole area in itself is called. Colchis and Iberia were Armenian Kingdoms....

levani · Post by **levani** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:39 pm

Who told you that? I can assure you that everything was in differnt way, Armenia was under Iberian protectorate in the times of Roman empire might. I can't post the map. If enyone wishes I can mail it.
Grimsta I advice you to look through Roman sources and maps. I'm sure you will find everything there

lcjr · Post by **lcjr** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:36 am

You mean this Armenia?

http://www.unrv.com/provinces/armenia.php
http://unrv.com/images/provinces/armenia.jpg

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/G ... /home.html
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/G ... M/12*.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis

grimsta · Post by **grimsta** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:07 am

the only thing i can say in response to that is

"pwn3d"

levani · Post by **levani** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:50 am

Icjr that part of the site where armenian history is presented has been organized by armenian scient. I read it and I was shocked because most of writen there was Georgian history alterated into so called "armenian". This is because armenians have always been envy for Georgian history because there country stoped existing in 7 century after Arabian invasion and till 1918 they where either under Georgian, Arabian, Persian, Turkish or Russian goverment.
visit: www.members.tripod.com/ggdavid/georgia/history.htm
www.rustaveli.tripod.com/cgi-bin/history.htm
www.nplg.gov.ge/ic/library_e/gabeskiria/15.htm
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Kings_of_Georgia
you will read about Georgian history there.

sum1won · Post by **sum1won** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:50 am

Hmmmm.... Anyone remember that argument over the term "hoplon" This seems to be another one of those.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:22 pm

He was that cowboy who made movies back in the 1930's right?

Hoplon Cassidy?

duncan · Post by **duncan** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:48 pm

sum1won wrote:Hmmmm.... Anyone remember that argument over the term "hoplon" This seems to be another one of those.

Those were the days...

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:18 am

Trying to equate ancient names to modern names is tricky.

When the arabs finished conquering the iberian peninsula, and came north across the pyrenees to invade France, they were met at Tours on October 10, 732 by the Franks under Charles Martel.

The title of Charles Martel, (and the point of this post), was Mayor of the Palace of the Frankish Kingdom of Austrasia.

This was in southern France, people. Or what is today southern France, to be more correct.

Look at the name Austrasia.

It was nowhere near Austria. It was even further from Asia. It was nowhere even remotely near Australia

My point is what I said at the start of this post -

Trying to equate ancient names to modern names is tricky.

edit - Please note carefully that while Wikipedia is an amazing resource, one I fully support and endorse, it should absolutely not be regarded as any sort of final authority on any matter of military history.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:27 am

Hey Levani -

Iosif Dzugashvili was georgian, wasn't he? Or was he armenian?

Anyhow, I really have my curiosity up now. When you say "trailer", you mean the intro movie, that plays when you start the game? I'm going to go watch that a couple times right now, and see if I can spot what you're talking about. It's pretty clear that nobody else is taking you seriously, and I am curious eniough to want to get to the bottom of this!

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:35 am

I just cannot see it, bro.

Can you confirm that you mean the intro movie, that plays on game startup?

If so, can you describe to me in a bit more detail what part of the movie it's in, and where I'm looking?

When you say "Pontus", that is what we today call the Black Sea, correct?

levani · Post by **levani** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:00 am

possum "pontus" is black sea indeed. In the intro movie when Gaius Julius Caesar appears then there is a map how Rome expended its territories. In the end of movie whole map is shown, pay attention to the east side of black(pontic) sea.

levani · Post by **levani** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:03 am

possum! Iosif Dzugashvili do you mean STALIN? If you mean STALIN then he was Georgian. He was born in Gori, a small town in the eastern Georgia.

duncan · Post by **duncan** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:23 pm

Arto Tun?§boyaciyan is a great armenian too (born Turkish, I think)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arto_Tun%C3%A7boyaciyan

but he hasn't conquered anything...AFAIK.