Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania

Bogus_law · Post by **Bogus_law** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:36 am

Hello,
I just checked army list in Storm of Arrows, and don’t found Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
Where I will found these countries? I have small forces for Grunwald (Tannenberg) 1410 and want use them in FoG.

Thanks
Boguslaw

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:46 am

There is another army list book called (possibly) Eastern Europe and the Rise of the Ottomans which covers, obviously

, eastern Europe which will have lists from both Poland and Lithuania (amongst others). Storm of Arrows just covers western Europe.

No idea of a publication date for the eastern book I'm afraid

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:54 am

nikgaukroger wrote:There is another army list book called (possibly) Eastern Europe and the Rise of the Ottomans which covers, obviously , eastern Europe which will have lists from both Poland and Lithuania (amongst others). Storm of Arrows just covers western Europe.

No idea of a publication date for the eastern book I'm afraid

Some time in the latter half of 2008 IIRC.

You will please to learn that both the Polish and Lithuanian armies perform well under FoG.

I took Later Lithuanians to Warfare and came 4th out of 20 players. My army consisted of Lithuanian light horse and foot, Polish knights and strzelcy and a fair few Russian cavalry from the conquered Russian territories.

frederic · Post by **frederic** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:38 am

Are the Lithuanian LH only Bw or Bw-Sw capability ?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:59 am

frederic wrote:Are the Lithuanian LH only Bw or Bw-Sw capability ?

Bow, Light Spear, Swordsmen.

If fielded as Cavalry, they are Bow*, Light Spear, Swordsmen. (To reflect their limited use of the bow).

frederic · Post by **frederic** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:23 am

Thanks Richard,

With the help of polish and russian cavalry, I assume it's better to field them only as LH.
I'm getting impatient to receive the Eternal Empire book in september.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:33 am

frederic wrote:With the help of polish and russian cavalry, I assume it's better to field them only as LH.

That was certainly my opinion. I fielded Russian Bw,Sw cavalry in preference to Lithuanian Bw*,LSp,Sw cavalry.

frederic · Post by **frederic** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:51 am

Is the polish cavalry "Czeladz" Crossbow-Sword before 1400 and then Lance-Sword as written in DBM army book ?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:48 pm

frederic wrote:Is the polish cavalry "Czeladz" Crossbow-Sword before 1400 and then Lance-Sword as written in DBM army book ?

The crossbow,sw guys are available throughout, the lancers become an option later.

frederic · Post by **frederic** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:20 am

I assume that Russian cavalry needs an ally general as for DBM, but what about the Polish general ?
Is he treated as a subcommander and are all the Polish troops in line of command of all Lithuanians commanders ?
Cause Poland and Lithuania were more than classic allies.

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:45 am

rbodleyscott wrote:
frederic wrote:Are the Lithuanian LH only Bw or Bw-Sw capability ?
Bow, Light Spear, Swordsmen.

Bow, Light Spear, Swordsmen?

Am I right that this is allowable and Bow, Lancers, Swordsmen are not because Light Spear is an inferior rather than a maximum Impact capability like Lancers?

Thanks,

Mike

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:04 pm

MikeK wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:
frederic wrote:Are the Lithuanian LH only Bw or Bw-Sw capability ?
Bow, Light Spear, Swordsmen.

Am I right that this is allowable and Bow, Lancers, Swordsmen are not because Light Spear is an inferior rather than a maximum Impact capability like Lancers?

Yes. Bear in mind it only applies to the LH. The Cavalry are Bow*, Light Spear, Swordsmen.

There is no point in making LH Bow* - it just makes them cheaper without making them worse.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm

frederic wrote:I assume that Russian cavalry needs an ally general as for DBM, but what about the Polish general ?
Is he treated as a subcommander and are alle the Polish troops in line of command of all Lithuanians commanders ?
Cause Poland and Lithuania were more than classic allies.

Both the Russians and the Poles are under the direct control of the main army's commanders.

The Russians are from areas incorporated into the Lithuanian state, and the Poles are "more than classic allies".

frederic · Post by **frederic** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:14 pm

rbodleyscott wrote: Both the Russians and the Poles are under the direct control of the main army's commanders.

The Russians are from areas incorporated into the Lithuanian state, and the Poles are "more than classic allies".

Thanks Richard,
With all your answers I better understand now why Lithuanians performs well under FOG.
I will be pleased to play them in late october for our tournament in Cavaillon (south france).

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:01 pm

Any chance of sharing the list on here Richard ?

I have seen the Lithuanians used locally, but that player opted for the dastardly Teutonic Knights instead of Poles.

Cheers

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:05 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Any chance of sharing the list on here Richard ?

Well I don't recall the exact details, but it had

2 BGs 4 Polish knights Heavily Armoured Superior Lancers, Swd
1 BG 4 Polish strzelcy Protected Average Crossbow, Swd
2 BGs 4 Russian cavalry Armoured Superior Bow, Swd
1 BG of 8 Lithuanian light foot average unprotected bow
5 BG of 4 Lithuanian LH Bow, light spear, Swd
4 Generals (mostly or all TCs, I forget)

or something like that, as that doesn't add up to 800 correctly.

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:26 pm

Thanks