Most hated scenarios

[LandMarine47]

Seriously has anyone gotten a DV on Germany (east and west) I get utterly annihilated by turn 15

[MartyWard]

Seriously has anyone gotten a DV on Germany (east and west) I get utterly annihilated by turn 15

I can get them in 1.14 but not in 1.2.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Seriously has anyone gotten a DV on Germany (east and west) I get utterly annihilated by turn 15

A more interesting question - has anyone got a DV in German Revolution (WWI) - coming after Mons18, you have a very tough time against a purely random scenario (where enemies don't even have a scripted location - they pop up wherever they want!)

- BNC

[IttoOgami]

Oboyan, oh yes. Grinding PC style, its like you cant move 2 hexes before you stumble in the next russian battle group.
Spoils of War - the premise is to stupid. I also do not like some other strange design decision (for example, having Romanians in the Belgrad Scenario or Italians in the Stalingrad scenario, when it should be vice versa), but the scenarios are ok.
In Afrika Corps, the one I dislike most is Persia. Initial enemy setup is so strong that they have a always a good chance to kill one of your airplanes.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

I'm adding Basra to my list - in 10 turns I have managed to lose 5 2-hero 3-star tanks and my only 2 experienced infantry. I started it again with reform units just to get through it and not fail before India.

- BNC

[Dragoon.]

Oboyan, oh yes. Grinding PC style, its like you cant move 2 hexes before you stumble in the next russian battle group.
Spoils of War - the premise is to stupid. I also do not like some other strange design decision (for example, having Romanians in the Belgrad Scenario or Italians in the Stalingrad scenario, when it should be vice versa), but the scenarios are ok.
In Afrika Corps, the one I dislike most is Persia. Initial enemy setup is so strong that they have a always a good chance to kill one of your airplanes.

I don't know about the Romanian axis allies in Hungary, but the Italian 8th army hold the left flank during the battle of Stalingard until it got almost destroyed during the Russian offense during "Operation Saturn".

[IttoOgami]

Oboyan, oh yes. Grinding PC style, its like you cant move 2 hexes before you stumble in the next russian battle group.
Spoils of War - the premise is to stupid. I also do not like some other strange design decision (for example, having Romanians in the Belgrad Scenario or Italians in the Stalingrad scenario, when it should be vice versa), but the scenarios are ok.
In Afrika Corps, the one I dislike most is Persia. Initial enemy setup is so strong that they have a always a good chance to kill one of your airplanes.

I don't know about the Romanian axis allies in Hungary, but the Italian 8th army hold the left flank during the battle of Stalingard until it got almost destroyed during the Russian offense during "Operation Saturn".

True, but it was (unlike the Romanians) not involved in the fights in the city.

[TSPC37730]

Stalingrad.

So far for me anyway. I haven't played them all yet, but, Stalingrad seems to be an all too co-incidental turning point. Specifically, it's when my prestige seems to start decreasing from scenario to scenario instead of increasing from scenario to scenario.

Those d*mn SMG infantry. They're everywhere....

[Dragoon.]

Stalingrad.

So far for me anyway. I haven't played them all yet, but, Stalingrad seems to be an all too co-incidental turning point. Specifically, it's when my prestige seems to start decreasing from scenario to scenario instead of increasing from scenario to scenario.

Those d*mn SMG infantry. They're everywhere....

They are strong but they have only a sight range of 1. If you place an apparently weak formation in front of them but have them covered with artillery the problem dissolves on it's own. Even more because attacking units don't retain their entrenchment bonus.

[captainjack]

I'm adding Basra to my list - in 10 turns I have managed to lose 5 2-hero 3-star tanks and my only 2 experienced infantry.

- BNC

An interesting one to pick, as apart from the first time I played (a total disaster bad enough to make me restart the entire AK game) it doesn't seem too bad. Last time I put everything in the middle, and used a cautious and methodical approach to clear a path. It helped a little that I had converted the move hero Italian SPart into a 149mm gun so it could keep up with the infantry and give the benefit of more ammo, and that I had a range hero gun as well. Where they could get to a clear hex or a Stug could back them up, the Tigers cleared out the bunkers to reduce enemy spotting and then it was mostly just a matter of being methodical - eg frequent resupply of defensive artillery to deter enemy attacks and reduce casualties to my own troops. Sometimes this involved concentrating artillery fire on a single critical unit if it blocked the path to ensure a quick removal. I had some reasonably experience AA which helped me keep my own airforce away from enemy AA, and had a policy of targeting AA so that I could bring in the Piaggio to strip ammo from well entrenched defenders. Having cleared the middle city, I sent a few units to clear out the lower right hand corner, blasted the 17 pounder screen to dust with my artillery and then came at the remaining left hand forces from top and side.

I'm currently near the end of 44 East, and my personal most hated scenarios are all the ones where I get over-confident and lose a 5* Stug IV or Pioneer unit to needless rushing ahead! Actually, I only hate the really long ones where it's too time consuming to learn my lesson and start again.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

I'm adding Basra to my list - in 10 turns I have managed to lose 5 2-hero 3-star tanks and my only 2 experienced infantry.

- BNC

An interesting one to pick, as apart from the first time I played (a total disaster bad enough to make me restart the entire AK game) it doesn't seem too bad. Last time I put everything in the middle, and used a cautious and methodical approach to clear a path. It helped a little that I had converted the move hero Italian SPart into a 149mm gun so it could keep up with the infantry and give the benefit of more ammo, and that I had a range hero gun as well. Where they could get to a clear hex or a Stug could back them up, the Tigers cleared out the bunkers to reduce enemy spotting and then it was mostly just a matter of being methodical - eg frequent resupply of defensive artillery to deter enemy attacks and reduce casualties to my own troops. Sometimes this involved concentrating artillery fire on a single critical unit if it blocked the path to ensure a quick removal. I had some reasonably experience AA which helped me keep my own airforce away from enemy AA, and had a policy of targeting AA so that I could bring in the Piaggio to strip ammo from well entrenched defenders. Having cleared the middle city, I sent a few units to clear out the lower right hand corner, blasted the 17 pounder screen to dust with my artillery and then came at the remaining left hand forces from top and side.

I'm currently near the end of 44 East, and my personal most hated scenarios are all the ones where I get over-confident and lose a 5* Stug IV or Pioneer unit to needless rushing ahead! Actually, I only hate the really long ones where it's too time consuming to learn my lesson and start again.

I tried doing a sweep from the northwest down to the south east, using 2 paras to get the bit in between the two rivers. I think my playthrough was worse than a total disaster, even though I used reform units as now I have only a Flamm, a single Tiger (was Matilda) and about 5 aircraft that are over 2*. And the Flamm only lived because it never got deployed into the scenario (I was sensible enough to not get my best unit destroyed!)

Also, I thought you really hated a few of the WWI ones. None of them are particularly long.

- BNC

[captainjack]

I thought you really hated a few of the WWI ones

I don't hate Arras 18, I'm afraid of it!

I've noticed that a lot of scenarios I really hated in the past are now much more enjoyable. Maybe I learned to appreciate the challenge or maybe improvements in my play style have made the difference. In the past few months I have noticed that a slow methodical clear out of city scenarios is at least as effective as alternative play styles. Apart from reducing the risk of sneak attacks on the artillery and AA, when being methodical often the reserves will come to you, allowing more time for resupply, preventing you walking into them at max entrenchment and over-crowding improves the chances of forcing surrenders.

Slightly off topic, I'd love a record of how much surrender prestige I have got. I'm sure it makes the difference between affording elite and normal reinforcements to my AA, Fighters and ATs and in some of the 43 and 44 East defensive scenarios I've had quite a few KV85 and IS1 surrenders worth 150+ each.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

I thought you really hated a few of the WWI ones

I don't hate Arras 18, I'm afraid of it!

Have you played Mons18 in v2.1 yet? I am fairly sure you will never go near PzC mods after playing it now (I even used cheat codes to compare it to Berlin '45 and now I'm certain it is too difficult to be beaten!)

- BNC

[monkspider]

I am playing Afrika Korps again and I find a lot of the later scenarios to be tedious. Persia and Caucasus are both especially bad but I find the scenarios in general after Basra to be too big to be especially enjoyable. It seems like whenever I play Afrika Korps I start losing motivation to continue after I reach Persia.I think the losing path might actually be more fun, I do like getting later in the war though and getting the experimental Italian units, so it is a tough call. The earliest scenarios are some of my favorites in the Panzer Corps franchise though, especially fighting off the early British offensives.

Other than that, Crete has always been a hated scenario for me.

[Longasc]

I really have trouble recalling particular scenarios, the final USA scenarios in the standard campaign were always frightening me. I didn't particularly hate the later Afrika Korps scenarios but must agree, they got quite tedious.

I am not sure anymore, but the DLC 1943 has a choice between a "North" and a "South" path, and one of them is way more tedious and difficult.
No sure if it was Ponyri (North) or Yakovlevo (South). Both lead to scenarios with "O", and one of them was a real PITA.
Right now I have to make the choice again where to go. - Training for OoB: Pacific.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

I really have trouble recalling particular scenarios, the final USA scenarios in the standard campaign were always frightening me. I didn't particularly hate the later Afrika Korps scenarios but must agree, they got quite tedious.

I am not sure anymore, but the DLC 1943 has a choice between a "North" and a "South" path, and one of them is way more tedious and difficult.
No sure if it was Ponyri (North) or Yakovlevo (South). Both lead to scenarios with "O", and one of them was a real PITA.
Right now I have to make the choice again where to go. - Training for OoB: Pacific.

USA scenarios are frieghtening? I always found them some of the most fun missions. GC Kursk... I agree to everything you said about it being a mean one . Or should I say

- BNC

[Scholomancer]

Much like what IttoOgami mentioned, I'm not a fan of the grinding scenarios - frankly, they require too much focus for my playing style.

Oboyan is a highlight due most due to the time constraint. After lots of scenarios with forgiving turn limits, you suddenly have a clock where every single unit has to do every single movement and attack successfully to win in time. And I find some scenarios boring, particularly the 360 degree defence scenarios like Stalingrad Ruins and Berlin where you're checking every unit every turn to ensure proper support or survival during the Russian turn.

[captainjack]

I'm not sure about most hated, but GTPG France and Sealion caused me a lot of stress. The first time I played France I added an extra two turns but got thumped in Sealion. The next time round in France I had cleared the last victory hex but hadn't has an opportunity to refuel, and had three of four units sitting just outside and immobile! But on the positive side I recently cleared out the last three hexes and took them on the last turn and haven't (yet) fouled up Sealion. It feels good after failing twice before.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

I'm not sure about most hated,

You're very sure about most hated:

Arras 18

- BNC

[captainjack]

I'm not sure about most hated,

You're very sure about most hated:

Arras 18

- BNC

Caught!