Super fast infantry

[Werk9]

Hello,

isn’t the Japanese Infantry 42 a little bit fast? It can move 6 fields. For comparison:
The B5N2 Kanko can move 8 fields. Recon units like Sumida or Osaka can move 5 fields.

Is there any reason why this infantry type can move so far? For me it looks imbalanced.

[Longasc]

Oh, other Infantry moves that far, too. But its more like 3 fields. "2" seems to be the normal movement cost for most terrain. 3 for more difficult terrain etc.. So 6 becomes 3, and 4 becomes 2 for Infantry. While the planes always fly their full 8 or more hexes.

[Erik2]

In general it is difficult to tune land/air/naval movement correctly to various map sizes. Time/space quicly enters Einsteinian territory
I think the infantry movements in general are a bit too generous.
I hope we will be able to mod unit stats pr scenario so that they will be more consistent with different map sizes.

Moving off infantry here...
For instance, I would like to experience with air movement = max range for the specific map and fuel = 3 turns. So you would launch the air unit, move towards the target turn-1, fight on turn-2 and return on turn-3.

[Horst]

Moving off infantry here...
For instance, I would like to experience with air movement = max range for the specific map and fuel = 3 turns. So you would launch the air unit, move towards the target turn-1, fight on turn-2 and return on turn-3.

Problem with fast aircraft speeds is that you could hardly intercept bombers anymore. Imagine if the enemy sends half dozen bombers against your carrier fleet: they would be sunk in few turns right after scenario start. In Panzer General titles, only one bomber could attack one target below in one turn where it isn't that devasting like here in OOB with up to seven bombers vs. a single target in one turn!

[Erik2]

But the bombers would only get one attack and would then have to head back to their own carrier.
I think it would also force players to put a fighter unit on CAP.
But this must of course be tested in actual play.

[Werk9]

Oh, other Infantry moves that far, too. But its more like 3 fields. "2" seems to be the normal movement cost for most terrain. 3 for more difficult terrain etc.. So 6 becomes 3, and 4 becomes 2 for Infantry. While the planes always fly their full 8 or more hexes.

Good point, but should be infantry on streets nearly as fast as planes? And faster with transportation trucks? Even with movement costs of 2 it can move 3 fields – like some carriers.

[Ballacraine]

Not only that, in the naval scenarios the ships cover nearly as much water as the aircraft.

I don't think the ship movement is excessive, so perhaps increase the movement points of the aircraft?

[Longasc]

Well, to make things "right":

Infantry moves only 1 hex.
Or ships move say 15 hexes.

Not really better, isn't it?

^ basically, what Erik said. But I don't want to play the advocatus diaboli, I feel ships are a bit slow indeed. But they are balanced with that speed for the naval battles and it works out as it is. Battleships can attack at a range of 9 fields, after all. But only move 3. Kinda fitting, IMO.

How to balance that? Planes usually go a lot faster than I am walking, too. There has to be a balance game wise, I am afraid given the variable map sizes in OoBPac and Panzer Corps balancing the speed of units with reality is not possible.

Right now I am fighting near Henderson Field in the Jungle and Infantry doesn't move far. 2 hexes is the norm. And on a road they can and should move quickly.

[rezaf]

Right now I am fighting near Henderson Field in the Jungle and Infantry doesn't move far. 2 hexes is the norm. And on a road they can and should move quickly.

Yeah, I actually have the opposite problem than the OP and feel infantry, if anything, is too slow. Though this is more of a map design issue than a unit stat issue.
Many missions later in the Japanese campaign take part in jungles without roads or anything, and spending dozens of units of mostly INF slowly creeping forward over the map with an average speed of 1.2 hexes per turn isn't exactly my idea of fun, so every new mission I play I'd currently rate lower than the last.
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rezaf

[apec]

I had the same experience with the slow moving infantry in some scenarios. However I think the current system capture nicely the issues and influence of the various terrains and force the player to adapt his strategy to the map, which is good for the fun factor

[Longasc]

Oh I see and definitely agree.

Rezaf, will there be large land battles with lots of inland fighting on hex-wise large islands? Sounds interesting, but I see how it can become a drag.

(I want to restart my current scenario (first one with Henderson Field) as the heavily scripted nature of the scenarios can also be a drawback. While it didn't kill me I would have done things differently if I knew that suddenly my whole naval fleet "withdraws" and instantly goes poof! )

I can imagine how it is to walk through the Jungle, even Light Infantry will move 1-2 fields and not more. Heavy Infantry better only does defense, you really don't want to traverse large stretches of rough terrain with speed 1.
Anyways, I think the original posting was made with "6 hexes" movement in mind, and that's not really what it is.

Right now there also seems to be a problem with tanks refusing to enter certain actually non-restricted terrain types , judging from reports on this forum.

[rezaf]

[quote="Longasc"]Rezaf, will there be large land battles with lots of inland fighting on hex-wise large islands? /quote]

I'd say yes, but it probably depends on your definition of "large". I'm currently playing a mission which has 60 turns (I'm about 30% in) and I don't see how I can reach the objective in time right now, that's how slow progress is.
The map designers used the cheap trick of making the island non-circumventable by cutting off the map at the sides so you cannot actually reach the enemy navy with yours and vice versa.
My biggest problem is my two torpedo bombers started the scenario with bombs for some reason and the carrier bug prevents me from switching their loadout. Thus they are almost useless vs. capital ships, and I'm having a very hard time grinding the enemy fleet down.
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rezaf