so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

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kop101
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so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

Post by kop101 »

Started this scenario with about 1k prestige, most of the units are overstrengthen. '39 and '40 campaigns I completed on 1.20 rules without replay of scenario, prior this scenario changed to 1.14. Difficulty was just okay so far, but on first encounter with unprepared russians I spent too much on elite repacements and near 10th turn had nothing. I left about 5 units for engaging Brest in lower corner of the map, and after capturing all objectives located in center followed all of my units to Minsk that is located in opposite corner of Brest. There were some massive armor and air reinforcements near Minsk, and my troops were already wounded so I needed all of them there.I took some more losses, but finally managed to wipe russians out of that city, and then all of sudden 3 soviet infantry units came towards Brest that was guarded by one single artillery unit of mine! On 16th turn I'm finally capturing Minsk while in same turn AI destroys my arty unit and captures back Brest...And now with 4 turns left all my units are located in about 15 hexes away from that objective. After spending about 80 minutes on playing this my feelings were intense :D

Anyways I'm sure I'll replay this scenario more carefully and gonna win, but my question is there any sense in continuing playing with so little prestige left on this early stage where things aren't even tough? Suggestions for possible workarounds are welcome
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Re: so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

Post by captainjack »

1,000 prestige in early 1941 sounds like bad news! It's probably worth restarting 41 again.

You might find some good tips in some of the prestige saving discussions somewhere in the forum from around last year. Otherwise adjust the prestige slider on the difficulty screen and if you later find you are earning too much you can always reduce it. .

1.14 is a bit easier than 1.2 because entrenchment is less effective, and overstrength is cheaper than in 1.2. Also, it doesn't have the prestige cap, which can start to cut your prestige as early as 1941, but it has the benefit of making AA, fighters and AT a bit more effective - annoying early on when you are mostly attacking but more important as you start meeting more experienced and better Soviets in 42 onwards. It's quite easy to switch off or modify the prestige cap if that is the only thing you don't like - there are instructions in the discussions somewhere but they may be well hidden as it's a year or more since they were poste(basically open the gamesrule file and change the numbers or switch it off completely - but make a backup copy first) d.

It's not much fun when the machine beats you but you will feel good when you start winning again - Good luck!
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Re: so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

Post by BiteNibbleChomp »

I think you're doomed. Don't worry, I just died in CK2 :(

Anyway even though I am not the best player and manage to waste nearly 5k every mission now (up to '44, progressing real slowly!) - If you don't have at least 20k by Stalingrad I see absolutely no hope for you. I had 110k then and have wasted 66% of it anyway!

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Re: so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

Post by fliegenderstaub »

Bad news first (in my opinion): I think 1k prestige is too few. It might be enough to win this scenario, but in the long run you will be in trouble, because you will desperately need prestige at least from 1943 on. Overstrengthening is one thing that eats up prestige quickly. And every overstrength strength point you loose hurts much more. I usually overstrength only artillery (and only one point), anti-air (up to the limit), Oleh Dir (up to the limit; overstrenghtening him costs a bit less because I don't give him a transport) and of course Rudel (the second one :wink: ). But every player has his own routine.

I could write some things about tactics in Minsk 41, but alternatively you might have a look at my attached replay. I play on General level with the 1.20 rules, reform units on and dice chess. And I turned the soft cap off, which isn't yet that important in 41.

As you will see in the replay I fly the "second" Rudel to an airfield in his turn of arrival and upgrade him from Ju 87B to Ju87R, which I find quite useful. The "R"-version is a bit better against armored targets and less effective against soft targets, but it has more than two and a half the fuel of the "B"-version, which I find very useful for Minsk.

Good luck for your next try! :)
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kop101
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Re: so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

Post by kop101 »

Thanks for replies guys, thinking about replaying GC'41 from scratch with adjusted slider of prestige to maximum as captainjack suggested. Seems like constant overstrenghing of all units on 1.20 was a bad idea :)

Although I consider myself more casual player that looks for fun rather than challenge I don't really want to use cheats because in that case achievements won't be triggered in current save.

fliegenderstaub thanks for sharing your replay, at first glance I thought that you are giving me your save game which would be kind of too much :D
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Re: so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

Post by TSPC37730 »

Have to agree over strengthening every unit is too expensive. I try to restrict mine to units which normally don't take many losses - namely artillery & AA. While it's nice to have 12 & 13 strength tanks crushing things, it's very expensive - and very annoying - when some stupid Yak makes a pass & chips off 2 strength for no loss.

Also have to agree with BNC & fliegenderstaub. 1k in prestige in Barbarossa definitely won't cut it. You should have way more than that. Even if you manage to somehow get by, you'll definitely feel it when you get to 42/43 - esp in the Stalingrad battles.

I've played Minsk a few times. If I recall, I tend to send most of my forces east quickly & leave a small contingent to take on Minsk slowly. I guess that's why I've never had the problem you faced. Infantry & other units do seem to appear/spawn to the south east, but, even if I've already taken the city, I always seem to have a few units lingering around which can fend off any last counter attacks.

Finally, don't forget about rail movement. If things are going well you can keep a few strong units in rail cities & load them up if something like this happens. You can also air drop/air transport, but, you can't take tanks....

Good luck!
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Re: so I ran out of prestige on Minsk'41

Post by Imarion »

If you search you will find several posts on prestige management.

I personnaly only overtstrength the artilleries of my core, not even the planes and never the auxiliaries units. I sometimes repair auxiliaries, but only when really needed.

I started GC41 with around 10k and finished with around 18k.

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