Derby World Teams, 3/4 October 2015

[kevinj]

Now that Roll Call is complete I need to nail down the pools for the Derby World Teams. I’m looking at an overall theme of the 17th Century this year, with the usual division of two Western European pools and one for the more unusual armies. For added variety I’d like to make one of the pools 25mm scale, which really means it needs an ECW/TYW theme as that’s the period where most people have armies.

I’d be grateful for any feedback/suggestions on these themes and also on the proposed restrictions. None of them are fixed yet, so if anyone’s got a really good idea I might steal it. (Clean) suggestions for snappy names for the pools would also be appreciated.

Pool 1. Europe during the Thirty Years War (TYW) and English Civil War (ECW). 1618 – 1649. 700 Points max, 25mm scale.

Permitted Armies:
Wars of Religion: Any army.
Clash of Empires: Cossack, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Later Ottoman Turkish, Early Gustavan Swedish.
This pool will use 25mm armies with a 40mm Movement Unit for Movement, Shooting and Command distances and a 1 inch Movement Unit for Terrain, Deployment and Threatened Flank effects. (This was the balance used for Roll Call).

Pool 2. Europe 1660 – 1698. 850 Points max, 15mm scale.

Permitted Armies:
Clash of Empires: Cossack, Later Ottoman Turkish.
Duty and Glory: Any army.
Armies must contain:
1) At least 3 Battlegroups of mounted Battle Troops, or all of the Mounted Troops permitted by the list.
2) At least as many BGs of Average or Poor battle troops as there are Superior or Elite BGs for both Foot and Mounted categories.
3) Artillery and Commanded Shot are not included for the purposes of these calculations.

Pool 3. The Middle East and Asia. 1600 - 1698. 750 points max, 15mm scale.

Basically armies from Colonies and Conquest. Covering the countries East of Turkey/the Red Sea and South of Russia, Kazakhstan and the Caspian Sea.

General Restrictions
Armies and the options chosen must be within the specified dates (inclusive) for the pool. Allies may be included from lists not specified but the overall army must still conform to any pool specific restriction.

For all pools the army must include 6 bases of Foot Battle troops (in BGs of 6 or greater) per base of Medium or Heavy Artillery.

Proposed Restriction:

Medium or Heavy Artillery may not be deployed so that it can shoot at any Battlegroup wholly within the outer 12 inch area of the table. In other words, it would need to be deployed at least 12 inches plus 2 base widths from the edge and not be angled so that it could shoot into the 12 inch area.

Pool Points
Each pool has a nominal limit as shown above. However, players may donate up to 5 unused points to the other players in their team; e.g. A Pool 2 army is 844 points, the other players in that team may use up to 5 of those points in excess of the nominal maximum. No army may exceed the nominal limit by more than 10 points. No Team’s three armies may exceed 2300 points in total.

Other
Once we nail down the wording, I'd also like to include the removal of captured artillery that we're trying at Britcon.

[steads]

Kevin
Do you may mean East of Turkey/Red Sea as West would give a very narrow strip in the middle of Africa?
Steve

[kevinj]

Obviously somewhat geographically challenged there! I'll fix it in the original so it makes sense, but thanks to Steve for spotting it.

[madlemmey]

Very tempted but no idea which period.
Like the later one quite a bit as I'm painting Williamite at the moment! Would also need a team!

[urbanbunny1]

Hi Kevin,

I like the idea of a 25mm period as well as the two 15mm periods.

Allows for more 25mm goodness

[christophe]

What Asian lists are allowed?

[marshalney2000]

I am also looking for a team to join for the event. I presume Kevin will round up stragglers into teams.
John

[madlemmey]

Fancy make by a team Marshal Ney?

Btw - you happy with the Hungarians?

[marshalney2000]

Yes, if we can get a third team member that would be great.
Hungarians are great. Looking forward to getting them on the table.
John

[madlemmey]

Okay John, let's go for it.
Which period would you prefer?

[marshalney2000]

I do not have a 28mm army so either of the other two for me.
John

[madlemmey]

I don't have a 25mm either, but could borrow.
I would probably prefer the Later Period of Duty and Honour.

[madlemmey]

Oh, it does appear that I have a 25mm army, it's kind of medieval but will do!

[kevinj]

Regarding the themes:

What Asian lists are allowed?

My current view is that it should be any list from Colonies and Conquest except:

Ikko Ikki
Ethiopian
Zanj
Horn of Africa
Maori and Pacific Island Cultures
Hawaiian
Wokou Pirates

These all fall outside of the specified geographic area or are pre-1600. Additionally:

Colonial Portuguese
Colonial Dutch

would only be allowed as allied contingents, not as the main army.


Regarding individual entrants:

I will always attempt to form these into a team or point them towards others who are trying to make one up. As a fundamental element of the event is that the draw is Team v Team it is not possible to accommodate players outside of teams. If people want to organise this for themselves, that saves me a job and I'm grateful for it.

[charles]

Thanks Kevin
Denis

[christophe]

thanks.
It is possible that he have a French team.

[kevinj]

It is possible that he have a French team.

That would be really great. I'ts always good to play new people.

I've promised the organisers that I'll finalise the pool details by the end of April, so if anyone has any comments or suggestions, please let me know in the next couple of days.

Cheers,

Kevin

[steads]

Just a thought about Pool points totals: would 650:850:800 be closer to normal army sizes. 700 points for 25mm might be a bit crowded or is that just my 15mm head speaker tosh?
Anyway just a thought
Steve

[quackstheking]

Just a thought about Pool points totals: would 650:850:800 be closer to normal army sizes. 700 points for 25mm might be a bit crowded or is that just my 15mm head speaker tosh?
Anyway just a thought
Steve

Good point!

Don

[kevinj]

700 points for 25mm might be a bit crowded

To be honest there aren't enough 25mm tournaments (yet!) to provide a definitive norm for army sizes. My only point of reference is Roll Call, where we've used 700 points for the last 2 years. If anyone has more experience of other sizes it would be great to see some alternative views, otherwise I'll stick to what I know.