retire and artillery

[bahdahbum]

One question : an unlimbered artillery unit became wavering during the firing sequence . As it was 1 MU from the firing units it had to retire to 3 MU but does it retire limbered or unlimbered . Nothing is said about it I do not remember it being discussed in another topic .

[viperofmilan]

Cannot cite chapter and verse, but I recall that all artillery retirements require first limbering.

Kevin

[deadtorius]

I believe they have to limber then bugger off so they end the turn limbered, at least that is how my fuzzy brain recalls seeing something to that effect posted here.

[deadtorius]

finally found it on page 61 outcomes move chart.

At the bottom of the chart under definitions it says "unlimbered artillery end their retire move limbered"

If wavering within 2 MU from shooting limbered artillery uses the "otherwise" row and ends limbered.

Hope that makes it clear

[bahdahbum]

Thanks, I also looked but did miss it

[deadtorius]

Old age and bad eyes will be the end of all of us old generals

[bahdahbum]

Old age ...no bad eyes

[Bar853]

Just bringing this to the top.

[Bar853]

Old age?

[Blathergut]

finally found it on page 61 outcomes move chart.

At the bottom of the chart under definitions it says "unlimbered artillery end their retire move limbered"

If wavering within 2 MU from shooting limbered artillery uses the "otherwise" row and ends limbered.

Hope that makes it clear

This is not quite right. All of the results on page 61 are Outcome Moves. For any of those, the artillery would end limbered. However, a result of firing 'retire to 3MU if closer,' is not an outcome move. The artillery would not end limbered, unless this is clarified by Terry to be the case. Nowhere does it say the artillery ends limbered, just is moved to at 3MU with a free wheel forward or back.

[Bar853]

Thanks for that. I have to agree with you on this point. But that means that the artillery unit must be facing the direction of their retreat! Is that correct? In the rule book page 63 "Retiring Units". The first paragraph is about a unit making a retire or evade move. The second paragraph is about units that make an "outcome move". The part about equal to or greater than a units normal move can only apply to outcome moves, not to a retire. Having said that, in the Special Combat and Retire rules table in the QRG it seems to imply all retire moves. If that is the case,then if it moves by prolong 1mu it must face in the direction of the retire. Is that correct?

[Bar853]

Arr! correction 2mu.

[Blathergut]

I wouldn't think so. The artillery, like any other unit, would remain facing the enemy. Do I know at the moment where to find that (if it is) in the rules? No. I will look through them tonight. I guess it depends on just what that 'move to 3MU' is modelling.

[deadtorius]

Outcome moves force you to possibly make a move that is not in the direction of your original facing so after the outcome move your facing might be different.

FOG N errata:says a unit that must retire to 3 Mu must retire away from all enemy units- wheeling to face the unit(s) making them retire if possible. So you don't have to end facing the shooters necessarily, just any enemy unit or units that were within 3 Mu and are forcing the move.

Example: you are fired on by artillery at 5 Mu and are forced to retire to 3 Mu. 2 Mu away is an enemy unit that is not facing you and can't shoot you but is within 3 Mu and is forcing you to move back to 3 Mu. Make the required move, but you must wheel to end the move facing the non-shooting unit because they are the unit that caused you to move back.

Hope that makes sense, and on the errata sheet you will find it under page 54 "results of firing"