Overlap and Impact foot

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:11 pm

Friday night happened this situation: I was in close compat with a battle group overlapped by a battle group of Impact Foot. My opponent moved one BG close to my Impact Foot within 3 MU's. The answer is: th BG of Impact Foot in overlap should charge or not?
many thanks
Sergio

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:52 pm

I think they have to test not to charge - caveat, rules up in hotel room so I may be wrong, I'm in the bar

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:54 pm

I bet the women are crowding around you whilst your on your lap top talking toy soldiers

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:54 pm

sergiomonteleone wrote:Friday night happened this situation: I was in close compat with a battle group overlapped by a battle group of Impact Foot. My opponent moved one BG close to my Impact Foot within 3 MU's. The answer is: th BG of Impact Foot in overlap should charge or not?
many thanks
Sergio

Ciao Sergio,

If you mean do shock troops in overlap have to test not to charge, no, is my answer They can
declare a charge, however.

I think the relevant bit is p50, "Moving from an overlap position". If they fought as an overlap
only in the previous turn, one of the options is choosing to charge. Charging without orders
doesn't seem like choosing to me, but I'm prepared to corrected.

(The other options are moving normally in the manoeuvre phase, evading in the impact phase,
and continuing as an overlap).

Rgds,
Peter

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:56 pm

philqw78 wrote:I bet the women are crowding around you whilst your on your lap top talking toy soldiers

You'd be surprised - mind you I'm in Bolton ...

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:57 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:I think thye have to test not to charge - caveat, rules up in hotel room so I may be wrong, I'm in the bar

Mines a pint thanks

The exact wording is "[when in overlap]...can choose to charge a different enemy". Depends on
how you interpret choice I suppose!

Rgds,
Peter

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:58 pm

Yes, they've never seen a laptop

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:58 pm

peterrjohnston wrote:
Charging without orders
doesn't seem like choosing to me, but I'm prepared to corrected.

Well the troops would be choosing even if the player didn't

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:00 pm

philqw78 wrote:Yes, they've never seen a laptop

On the other hand there is a lap dancing club about 100 yards away ...

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:00 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:
philqw78 wrote:I bet the women are crowding around you whilst your on your lap top talking toy soldiers
You'd be surprised - mind you I'm in Bolton ...

Bolton on a Monday night. Did you upset someone at work or something?

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:03 pm

Nottingham last Thursday and Friday, Bury St. Edmunds this Wednesday and Leeds Thursday and Friday - boy do I see the wild side

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:08 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:Nottingham last Thursday and Friday, Bury St. Edmunds this Wednesday and Leeds Thursday and Friday - boy do I see the wild side

Kicking, I believe you say.

Although Leeds isn't bad, you can arrange a game with Mr Handley

We seem to have hijacked Sergio's question, but I suspect the interpretation of
choosing to charge depends in higher authorities...

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:14 am

many thanks for all of you.
I guess if the Impact Foots can choose to drink some beers and having fun with some beautifull girls if better not to charge and .........

Sergio

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Tue May 20, 2008 12:51 pm

There's no exception mentioning close combat or overlap in the rules regarding charging without orders. So I do believe they charge. Choose to, if you prefer.

Mike

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:18 pm

MikeK wrote:There's no exception mentioning close combat or overlap in the rules regarding charging without orders. So I do believe they charge. Choose to, if you prefer.

I think the moving from an overlap position rules are more relevant. But I agree it's ambiguous. I'd
rather have a ruling from the gang of three. But they don't seem to be around at the moment...

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:26 pm

Given that as a rule they say what they mean and mean what they say (or don't say), and they intentionally didn't include anything to do with overlap in the list of exceptions to charging without orders, the logical conclusion would be that it is not an exception.

Mike

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:17 am

I'm definitely of the view that the charging without orders section has the priority.

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Wed May 21, 2008 8:30 am

Well, I'm obviously disagreeing, as the section on moving from an overlap position is very specific on what you can do.
"Choose" to me is not charging without orders.

WhiteKnight · Post by **WhiteKnight** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:38 am

I agree there seems to be an ambiguity here. P 50 clearly says a BG can CHOOSE whether to charge, without giving exceptions by troop type. This further implies that LF and MF with bow etc would be able to choose to charge without a test, if you take it that shock troops need not test not to charge...in otherwords the word choose overrides usual CMT requirements. I do not think that is what is intended by the rules even if it is implied in the wording.

I agree with Nik that the troops in overlap need to take a CMT to charge/not to charge and therefore, Peter is right in that p50 may need amplification/rewording slightly, and/or an official FAQ issued.

Apols if I've missed something!

Martin

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:34 pm

peterrjohnston wrote:Well, I'm obviously disagreeing, as the section on moving from an overlap position is very specific on what you can do.
"Choose" to me is not charging without orders.

You have one choice, either charge or not.

If you don't want to take a CMT you must choose charge.
If you fail the CMT you must choose charge.
If you pass the CMT you must choose not.

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