Exactly how to measure a country production points creation?

[jmtk]

Hi everybody,
Exactly how to measure a country production points creation? (pp´s)

I suppose this issue is an old one, version 3.1 already working, but I can´t make sense of it.

i.e.
England 1st turn: 9 cities with nominal 14 production points (is this the concept to use?) plus 2pp from coal mine, plus London 10pp = 26pp
Middle East: 7 cities with nominal 10 pp´s plus 2 oil.
Gibraltar 1pp.
Canada: 3 cities nominal 4 pp´s plus 2 oil.

Plus Poland?
7 cities, 11pp´s

Just adding up this the total is (without oil and coal) 38 english pp´s and 11 polish = 49

At 55% industry output the turn pp's for England is supposed to be 29 pp´s, and there´s no way to get to that value!

How is this done?
Thanks

[thornik]

Agree. This is a mystery to me.

[Carlos_Danger]

I have never looked at summing up the pp’s. Here is my attempt in a Hotseat, hope it helps.
Turn One
Germany did not declare war on Poland.
England and Northern Ireland = 26
Commonwealth Countries, if you can move them, then they are on UK’s side, if you cannot move them, the country is neutral, hence:
Canada = 6 (assuming that the 2 oil count as pp, not really sure)
Gibraltar, Malta, Cyprus = 3
Iraq and Egypt are still neutral =0
Total = 26 + 6 + 3 = 35
35 * 0.55 = 19.25 and it says UK collected 19pp at 55% War Effort

Turn Two
Germany Declared war on Poland, but did not capture any Polish cities.
It says UK collected 30pp at 55% War Effort
UK = 35
0.55 * 35 = 19.25

Poland has a total of 12pp but Posen (1) and Danzig (1) are German Nationality but occupied by Poland so they get half the pp for those two cities, hence Poland is 11pp total.
I guess the Polish pp points must be at 100% war effort so you get a full 11pp for Poland
19.25 + 11 = 30.25 which is 30pp

But I am at a loss to sum the allies’ oil which 11 was collected.
Oil formula = 4 * oil * war effort
My attempt:
I get 2 oil from Canada = 4*2* 0.55 = 4.4
USA @ 4% war effort
USA 2 oil = 4*2*0.04 = 0.32
So total allies oil = 4.4 +0.32 = 4.7 which is 5
But the allies collected 11 oil?

[Peter Stauffenberg]

The Middle East doesn't activate until Mid 1940 so no PP's from them early in the game. If the Germans capture Polish cities on turn 1 then you don't get PP's from these either.

USA is neutral too so no oil from USA. However there is a concept called offmap production and offmap oil oil. That is oil you get in addition to oil you get from resources on the map.

Country: offmap production/offmap oil
Germany: 0 / 11
Italy: 0/1
UK: 0/10
France: 0/5
USA: 10/40
USSR: 20/0

Oil goes into a combined pool for each side.

Most of the UK offmap oil comes from some of the convoys being oil tankers transporting oil from e. g. the Far East. US offmap oil comes from e. g. the Mexican Gulf or Venezuela. German, French and Italian offmap oil simulates oil coming in from minor sources not big enough to be on the map. For Germany particularly it indicates more like synthetic conversion of coal into oil. We have 2 synth oil plants on the map, but Germany actually had a lot of these and got quite a bit of their oil from that. France had colonies producing oil and they received oil via convoys.

US and USSR production indicates offmap production being sent to war in Europe. Both countries had production and oil being sent for the Pacific. So it's not the total production of these countries. USSR used production / oil to prepare for a Japanese invasion, protecting against the border to China, Mongolia, Manchuria etc. USA fought a war against Japan and a lot of their resources went to the Pacific war and not the European war.

[jmtk]

I didn´t receive messages telling me of your responses, apologies!

Carlos, I did an analysis just like yours and without getting expected results. Guys, if you want to keep looking for an answer let´s do it by email. Easier and faster.

Mine is jm.tejada.k@gmail.com