New Kingdom Egyptian Basing Warning

Fenton · Post by **Fenton** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:37 am

Sorry to mention again, just for clarifactaion, archers will be MF to?

Just woken up so the screen is still a bit blurry

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:47 am

All archers are Mf - unless LF skirmishers of course.

Montezuma49 · Post by **Montezuma49** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:01 pm

There is a lot of talk on the forum regarding lists for armies that have not been published yet. New Kingdom Egyptian is one of them. Are there other sites with possible/probable lists on them that people are referring to, or are there a select few who have access to pre-production copies.

Either way, could anyone please tell me where I can get more information regarding Assyrian and New Kingdom Egyptian army list content, or for that matter, whatever the FOG equivalent of Late Imperial Roman is ?

regards
Paul

WhiteKnight · Post by **WhiteKnight** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:10 pm

Echoing Paul's comment, I have a NKE force and dont want to rebase anything if I can help it! With all the preceding posts, it doesn't look though I will need to but as FOG forces seem come out a little larger than DBM forces, I'm expecting to have to buy a few more figures!

Will chariots be in BGs of 2 or 4 bases and how many chariot BGs (min/max) might be permitted?

Happy that all foot are MF or LF, though, this seems to fit with the albeit very limited info we have.

Will the "close fighters" be swordsman (...their bronze sickle swords and assorted one and two-hand implements..) or light spear guys? Or will there be a choice?

I'm guessing that the NKE will be drilled troops with undrilled BGs from within the empire and beyond?

Martin

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:22 pm

WhiteKnight wrote:Will chariots be in BGs of 2 or 4 bases and how many chariot BGs (min/max) might be permitted?

4-6

The list isn't finalised yet, but more than 20 Egyptian chariots bases at the present count, plus a few Syro-Canaanites.

Will the "close fighters" be swordsman (...their bronze sickle swords and assorted one and two-hand implements..) or light spear guys? Or will there be a choice?

Protected, light spear, swordsmen

I'm guessing that the NKE will be drilled troops with undrilled BGs from within the empire and beyond

Correct

WhiteKnight · Post by **WhiteKnight** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:28 pm

thanks, Richard!

Martin

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:13 pm

Latest Update:

NKE Egyptian close fighters are MF only
NKE Egyptian archers are MF (with a few LF)
Sherden and other Sea Peoples swordsmen are MF, apart from the NKE Sherden Royal Guard (0-4 bases) which is HF. The NKE also have 0-4 bases of Egyptian Royal Guard HF.

"Invincible Meshwesh" in the Libyan Egyptian army are also be MF. (But there are 0-6 Royal Guard HF).

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:43 pm

So how about the Assyrians?

the Middle Assyrian battle foot? Reg Bd-f in DBM terms.

The Sargonid types with a variety of troop types. Will some be HF?

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:34 pm

Middle Assyrians MF, Sargonid DBM Sp types will be HF I think.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:59 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:Middle Assyrians MF, Sargonid DBM Sp types will be HF I think.

Sargonids have a mix. The ones with tower shields and huge round shields are HF, the ones with smaller round shields are MF.

Maxshadow · Post by **Maxshadow** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:13 am

i would have thought that the spearmen carrying the large shields would have counted as HF not MF.
I saw a picture of model spearmen from the 11th Dynasty, (so way out of the period your looking out I know), they where displayed 4 wide by about 8 deep. So OK they where probably marching. The spears where alot taller than the men so that suggests to me they may have been used to thrust more than being thrown. Which makes me imagine a more tightly formed body of troops than normal MF troops.
Oh well, Ive finished my desperate pleading.

Keep up the good work.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:52 pm

[quote="rbodleyscott"]
[b]Latest Update:[/b]

NKE Egyptian close fighters are MF only
NKE Egyptian archers are MF (with a few LF)
Sherden and other Sea Peoples swordsmen are MF, apart from the NKE Sherden Royal Guard (0-4 bases) which is HF. The NKE also have 0-4 bases of Egyptian Royal Guard HF.

"Invincible Meshwesh" in the Libyan Egyptian army are also be MF. (But there are 0-6 Royal Guard HF).[/quote]

Oh bottoms, just the 14 bases of archers and 28 bases of close fighters to rebase. Do you have something against NKE players as I seem to remember rebasing the close fighers when the 2nd edition DBM list came out. NKE will probably have to wait some time before they get a run out in FoG.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:20 pm

Archers won't need rebasing as DBM archers are on 40 by 20 bases anyway. Close fighters would in theory need rebasing if they are based as DBM Sp or Bd(O) but not as Bd(F). That said I can't se anyone objecting to you using HF based Egyptians as MF in FoG.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:35 pm

[quote="hammy"]Archers won't need rebasing as DBM archers are on 40 by 20 bases anyway. Close fighters would in theory need rebasing if they are based as DBM Sp or Bd(O) but not as Bd(F). That said I can't se anyone objecting to you using HF based Egyptians as MF in FoG.[/quote]

James, thank you, I thought MF were 3 figs to a base not 4, if MF are 4 that is less of a problem for my Bw. Almost all my Close Fighters are Bd(O). The only downside of the 15mm deep bases are to do with basing moving forwards to contact and having to remain in partial side edge alignment (don't have the rules to hand to find the precise term) as that is more difficult with HF bases. More sabots to make, methinks, and working out how to get the sandy stuff to look real on a sabot or they become Bd(F), which might be fun as I don't have a Bd(F) DBM army.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:58 pm

MF are 3 or 4 to a base, it makes backwards compatibility easier.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:44 pm

Maxshadow wrote:I saw a picture of model spearmen from the 11th Dynasty, (so way out of the period your looking out I know), they where displayed 4 wide by about 8 deep. .

I have been told by an expert that this implies nothing at all about their battlefield formation - it is just how the museum chose to display them.

Some Middle Kingdom troops used huge tower shields but these seem to have fallen out of use by the New Kingdom. The Middle Kingdom list does have some HF to represent the troops with these.

Maxshadow · Post by **Maxshadow** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:35 am

Ok. That makes sense. Some times its hard to let go of preconceived ideas if you've been holding on to them for decades.

Shem · Post by **Shem** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:54 am

Hello,
might be a silly question, but will there be an aditional troop type entry for those axe-club wielding Egyptians, with heavy weapons? Or should I just glue them amongst their normally armed fellas? I don't know if they fought as seperate troops or were rather a mixture...

Also, do I get it right that there will be no spearmen in a NKE list, just mixed troops that count as light spear/ swordsmen?

Thanks and have a nice weekend!

OhReally · Post by **OhReally** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:43 am

Will the Egyptian light chariots be drilled?

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:12 am

NKE ones will be.