Rules Q: Cohesion Test

[imanfasil]

If a BG received more than 1 hp3b from shooting (via artillery) does that qualify as the testing for more than one reason (2 hits from artillery, and 1hp3b from shooting)?

Thanks

[Montagu]

Nope. Those are the same reason just 2 different ways of calculating if they need to test.

GL!

[imanfasil]

So is the only way you'd get the 'multiple reasons to test' modifier if multiple units broke around the same unit or if a unit broke within 3MU AND a leader was lost? Seems like a very uncommon modifier!

Thanks,

[shall]

It is uncommon but nasty when it occurs

As you say

2 routs either side say or
General lost and a rout

I maybe see it cut in 1 in 3 games but ugly when it does

Si

[lawrenceg]

It is uncommon but nasty when it occurs

As you say

2 routs either side say or
General lost and a rout

I maybe see it cut in 1 in 3 games but ugly when it does

Si

I thought any number of routs would be a single reason to test as they are all the same reason. Am I alone in this, or is it a common misconception?

But 2HP3B from shooting would still only be one reason?

[rogerg]

I had wondered a little about this. The thinking has to be about multiple events causing the test, not one event with multiple features. Separate routs are two separate events. Being shot by opponents including artillery and taking 1HP2B is one event, but with two features. 'Reason' is equivalent to 'event'.

[rbodleyscott]

I had wondered a little about this. The thinking has to be about multiple events causing the test, not one event with multiple features. Separate routs are two separate events. Being shot by opponents including artillery and taking 1HP2B is one event, but with two features. 'Reason' is equivalent to 'event'.

That's right Roger. We had not envisaged that it could be interpreted any other way.

[rogerg]

When version two or a major reprint comes out in a few years it will probably be worth having a read through for precise use of words. Although 'reason' is not incorrect, 'cause' would probably be better.

There do not seem to be many such problems which is good news.

[lawrenceg]

That's right Roger. We had not envisaged that it could be interpreted any other way.

I had not envisaged that it could be interpreted any other way either. Other than the way I interpreted it, that is.

so the official interpretation is:

A BG breaks within 3 MU and another BG breaks within 3 MU = 2 reasons.

Unofficially I still interpret shooting hits as:

A BG takes 1HP3B from some shooting dice and another 1HP3B from some other shooting dice = 1 reason.

(Reason to test is listed as "suffering 1HP3B from shooting ..." in the beta reference sheet. This may have been amended to "...>= 1HP3B..." in the published version, I don't know)

2HP3B is some pretty severe shooting hits, so maybe it should count as 2 reasons.

Any comment?

[hammy]

If a BG takes 1HP2B it will test at -1 which is almost the same thing.

[lawrenceg]

If a BG takes 1HP2B it will test at -1 which is almost the same thing.

Yes, but if they take 1.5HP2B will they get yet another -1?

I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but now the can of worms has been opened, we might as well go to the trouble of closing it properly.

[frederic]

If a BG takes 1HP2B it will test at -1 which is almost the same thing.

Yes, but if they take 1.5HP2B will they get yet another -1?

I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but now the can of worms has been opened, we might as well go to the trouble of closing it properly.

Just read the rule and you will get the answer.

>= 1HP2B get -1

These rules are really clear, but it seems some guys used with old system want to make them more complex.

We want fun, not headaches !