Flank marches/ Reserves

[richafricanus]

Is there any sequence in which flank marches and reserves come on?

P.34 says "if the activation roll is passed the player may start to bring on his reserves at the start of his next movement phase."

But p.35 says "During the movement phase the active player may move any units that did not enter as reserves or a flank march this turn."

These seem contradictory and confusing. I assume the intent of the rule is that you move flank marches/ reserves on in the movement phase in any order you choose. Is this how others read it?

[deadtorius]

Sounds to me that flank marchers and reserves move first then your on table troops.

[richafricanus]

I don't see that it mandates that. Seems open to interpretation.

[deadtorius]

back of book playsheet says you check for reserves and flank marches before regular movement, sequence of play top of page.

Moving reserves and flank marches onto table: "On the move following activation..." So you check for activation if successful bring on 3 units and move them on table.

Then you can make normal moves with the troops who did not enter as a reserve or flank march.

After movement according to the sequence you auto activate any off table reserves, think its if enemy gets within 6 Mu of your long table edge you automatically bring on any reserves your next turn.

Thats my take on it anyway. Never actually tried either reserves or flank marches, too risky in other FOG sets so not tried them in this one either.

[viperofmilan]

back of book playsheet says you check for reserves and flank marches before regular movement, sequence of play top of page.

Moving reserves and flank marches onto table: "On the move following activation..." So you check for activation if successful bring on 3 units and move them on table.

Then you can make normal moves with the troops who did not enter as a reserve or flank march.

After movement according to the sequence you auto activate any off table reserves, think its if enemy gets within 6 Mu of your long table edge you automatically bring on any reserves your next turn.

Thats my take on it anyway. Never actually tried either reserves or flank marches, too risky in other FOG sets so not tried them in this one either.

And don't forget that you enter on the next move phase: i.e. if you activate on turn 2, you begin to enter on turn 3.

[richafricanus]

We use flank marches quite a lot. They're worth trying as they can be quite devastating. Give them a skilled general and they come on like drilled troops passing a cohesion test - a 5 or 6 on either of two dice.

I still think the rules don't limit the order of movement and troops coming on as a flank march can move before or after other movement.

[deadtorius]

And don't forget that you enter on the next move phase: i.e. if you activate on turn 2, you begin to enter on turn 3

Not quite, sequence is: you check for activation before you start moves on say turn 2, then you move them on at the beginning of the turn 2 movement phase.

After activation it says:'On the move following activation..." Seems to imply that if you activate then you move on table during the movement phase which follows the activation phase in the sequence. Which brings me back to it looks like you activate then move those 3 units on table then move the rest of your units. Activated units can't assault on the turn they enter the table.
Definitely could have been written a bit clearer.

think its if enemy gets within 6 Mu of your long table edge

Actually its if enemy unit moves to within 12 MUs for bringing in a reserve division, old age old mind forgets lots.
Turn sequence says you auto activate reserves after movement.

[viperofmilan]

Not quite, sequence is: you check for activation before you start moves on say turn 2, then you move them on at the beginning of the turn 2 movement phase.

I respectfully disagree. Attempts to activate flank marches occur at the beginning of the movement phase (p. 34), and successfully activated flank marches arrive "on the move following activation" (p.35). Activation in the movement phase of turn 2 results in flank marchers arriving in movement phase of turn 3.

Kevin

[deadtorius]

Tell that to the turn sequence in the back of the book, where it says check for activations, then next phase is movement. According to that the next movement phase follows activation phase.

[viperofmilan]

Tell that to the turn sequence in the back of the book, where it says check for activations, then next phase is movement. According to that the next movement phase follows activation phase.

Well, aren't we always told that RAW trump any chart or diagram?

[terrys]

They begin testing on turn 2.

The first move they may arrive is turn 3

Units moving onto the table are always moved (and enemy units retired/evaded) before any other units are moved.

[ravenflight]

Another question on this... is 'may' meant to read 'must'? Can I roll a 5 and then wait 3 turns for conditions to be right for me to bring on my flank march?

[MDH]

Another question on this... is 'may' meant to read 'must'? Can I roll a 5 and then wait 3 turns for conditions to be right for me to bring on my flank march?

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We will have used "may" here in this context as an expression of possibility and of permission so on p34 the player might be or is able to /has permission to ,start bringing on his units.

But on page 35 right hand column last sentence of 2nd BP - it is possible that an individual unit cannot be placed so MUST would contradict that.

If we have intended MUST we would have written that - in this instance at least .

It was not our intention to allow a voluntary delay once an off-table formation has been activated because these are, to an extent, events not able to be directly controlled by the Corps Commander. Had we intended that we would have put in a sentence saying that. Just make the table wider if you want to ensure that your flanking movements are under your total control:lol: .

The embarrassment of an earlier arrival than would have been ideal - given the movements (or more much likely non movements) of the opposition is one I have only too familiar with ( also in FOG(AM))