Prestige Soft Cap

[jaggy]

@ThorHa - After the softcap kicked in, in 1943, I managed to upgrade all 6 SE Panzer IV H to SE Panthers but here just wasn't enough prestige to upgrade my other Panzer IV H to Panthers too. I would have loved to upgrade the non-SE Panzer IV G earlier to Panther but there just wasn't enough prestige so I went for the next best thing and upgraded them to IV H. As its within the Panzer IV family, the upgrade didn't cost too many vital organs.

I feel a bit cheated, because I had no warning that the prestige cap was working, other than that I thought I should still be gaining prestige through 43 rather than breaking even ... prestige soft cap should be made much more visible, not act in a hidden way. Bear in mind that I'm a fairly experienced player and had trouble identifying what the issue was. The soft cap should ideally be made an optional selection in the difficulty screen just like Reform Units, Chess/Dice Chess/Random etc.

My exact sentiments too, captainjack!!! By the time the softcap kicks in, if you haven't got the optimum amount of prestige, you might not survive GC'43, '44 or '45. I consider myself an experienced player too, having completed 3 Grand Campaign East. The softcap lulls a player into complacency from '39 to '42 and then its a kick to the head from '43 onwards. The softcap should never be turned on by default. If experienced players are struggling with this, can you imagine what a new player will feel like when he can't complete the campaign? If you don't have an adequate amount of prestige by '43, its goodbye and goodnight! Also the devs need to work in visual display in-game that can at least project what a particular core force composition can expect to generate in prestige in a particular scenario. As it is, antoniocapo's workaround is the only way for me to try and figure out what prestige I'm getting in a particular scenario.

[ThorHa]

Agreed. Interesting concept badly implemented. Too many deducters in the open beta, I guess .

Regards,
Thorsten

[dumbttt]

Glad I found this thread. I like some of the changes introduced in v1.20 (class-specific exp effect, replacement came suppressed, etc) but dislike the soft cap and expensive overstrength. Now I can tweak the rule to suit my own style. Awesome!

[Waffenamt]

I started a new set of GCs a few months back using deducter's GC Unit Revisions v12 beta2 (June 15, 2014). I've just finished 1941 and he hasn't added the 1943 module yet, but according to the thread the changes he's introduced eliminate the need for the soft cap, and it is accordingly disabled. I shall add some feedback to his thread now that I'm starting up the 1942 GC. I really like it and couldn't go back to earlier versions of the mod or use PC pre 1.20. It's going to take me some time to get through 42 so I hope he gets a chance to update the mod in his own time.

[edahl1980]

The more i read about the softcap, the more i like the idea.

But give me a "bar" during deployment that tell me what my average cap is as i deploy units.

[jaggy]

With the soft cap on I was only getting around half prestige, even though I had very few units beyond 12 Str and a high proportion of Infantry (most with no transport) and other less expensive units, so I had thought that I was hardly affected by it. I feel a bit cheated, because I had no warning that the prestige cap was working, other than that I thought I should still be gaining prestige through 43 rather than breaking even.

Which is why I feel the developers have to create an in-game display where players can see whether they are exceeding the soft cap or not. Players shouldn't be required to have an excel spreadsheet and a calculator to work out whether they are exceeding the soft cap and constantly rechecking after every scenario. That's what the computer is for, let it do all the work, instead of having to manually calculate the composition! Soft cap as it stands now is a trial-and-error process for players to figure out.