Fragmented breaking from Charge, resolving rout / pursuits

[meledward23]

AAAA
..................BBBB
.....DDDDDDDDD

A - Cataphract
B - Cataphract
D - Bow - LF.

D is fragmented and in melee with B. A declares charge on D.

The questions:
1) D takes a cohesion test to recieve A's charge?
2) after A fails cohesion test because of the charge declaration, it immediately runs, then A finishes it's charge move, even if he doesnt catch A he must make his charge move, correct?
3) IF D runs from A becuase of the charge we are in the impact phase. What does B do, pursue immediately, pursue later ?

[WhiteKnight]

Here's my take on this...

D must test cohesion as FRAG receiving a charge...p112

If D breaks it makes an immediate rout move incl a VMD...p100 and p 114

A makes a normal charge move, no VMD, whether or not D breaks

If D breaks, B pursues immediately with a VMD...p101

Martin

[meledward23]

Which is what we played.

However,

This brings the next point.

IF (B) persues immediately and DOES NOT MAKE CONTACT with (A) again. This happened in the IMPACT phase. (A) did not charge. SO In the movement rules, it states units that charged do not manuever. I dont have my ruels with me as I m at work, but I recall that the specific wording basically clearly stated that (A) does not manuever. However, there is nothing on (B)'s situation. It appears there is nothing saying he can not manuever. So can (B), who did not charge, but persued a rout, move in manuever ?


And a simple follow up question is (A) will again make a rout move in the Joint Action, correct?

[lawrenceg]

I'm fairly sure the sequence of breaking, charging, routing and pursuing is covered explicity for this situation in the rules.

I'm also fairly sure it says somewhere that BGs that moved (i.e. not simply charged) in the impact phase cannot move in the manouevre phase so a pursuit would count as a move.

[WhiteKnight]

...to continue the Battle of ABD!

Assuming A charges but doesnt make contact with routing D, A may not move in the manouvre phase and nor does D...p70.

If B pursues in the impact phase and D outruns him, it seems B is free to make a move in the manouvre phase...I can't see a rule preventing it, but I guess this is not the intention of the rules and i recall an earlier post discussed this but I cant remember the outcome! It does say on p108 "Pursuers who have lost contact halt and can move normally IN THEIR NEXT TURN" (my caps), not their naxt phase, so this may cover the point?

If A and B both contact D at the end of the impact phase, poor old D will lose two more bases, if it's only one of them, D loses one base.

In the JAP, D will rout again and any in contact will have to pass a CT to stop pursuing. Others pursuing cease to do so.

Martin

[KingHassan]

Actually we played it as:
DDDD failed a CT and moved 5" into a unit of Elephants, utilized part of the permitted 2" of bonus movement and cleared the Elephants but stopped short of the flank of a Legionarii unit that was 20mm behind and at a right angle to the pachaderms.
AAAA made a charge with a VMD and continued into Elephants and an Elite Legionarii on the left of the elephants.
BBBB desperately wanted to pursue but was not allowed to do so and was not allowed to move in the maneuver phase.

Maybe the staff officer(s) interpreting the rules last night should be brought to a court martial.

[meledward23]

King? do we have to go through this again ? Appointed dictators are acceptable, but certainly not kings.

And don't get me started on what your staff officers did last night.